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ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Aug 15 @ 4:31 PM ET
Also in that article:

Beauvillier, who played center in junior hockey but has played almost exclusively on the wing as a pro, is among the potential replacements for Filppula. Lamoriello also included Tanner Fritz, Otto Koivula and college signings Mason Jobst and Bobo Carpenter as those who could compete for the role.


I don't know what I make of Beau as 3C, but he's probably the best of those options right now. And I could see it maybe working. As a winger, he needs to be scoring more to be useful. As a 3C, if he can use his speed to play a responsible, complete game while chipping in 15-20 goals, I'd take that, and it doesn't seem like that'd be an impossible mark for him to hit.

- UIF


I like the idea of Beau as a 3C.
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Aug 15 @ 4:37 PM ET
Lou Lamoriello always believed the Islanders’ new arena at Belmont Park would become a reality. It’s likely he would never have agreed to become the team’s president and general manager in 2018 otherwise.

Still, Lamoriello knows how significant it is for the organization that the $1.3 billion arena and entertainment plan received its final approval from the state Franchise Oversight Board on Tuesday after the Empire State Development board voted on Aug. 8 in favor of the project.

“You know how big it is,” Lamoriello told Newsday on Thursday. “Without a new arena, there would not be the Islanders on Long Island. I think that says it all.”

Lamoriello was able to re-sign the team’s key unrestricted free agents this offseason except for goalie Robin Lehner and third-line center Valtteri Filppula. The previous summer, former captain John Tavares left for his hometown Toronto Maple Leafs for a seven-year, $77 million deal that was less than the Islanders offered.

The Islanders will continue to split games between NYCB Live’s Nassau Coliseum and Barclays Center in Brooklyn for a second straight season. Their new building is scheduled to open for the 2021-22 season and Lamoriello knows uncertainty about the Islanders’ arena situation was a factor when talking to free agents.

“I think that’s always something behind someone’s mind, including our own free agents,” Lamoriello said. “But they have the confidence in believing in our ownership’s commitment to getting the arena.”

Lamoriello was able to re-sign unrestricted free agents Anders Lee (seven years, $49 million), center Brock Nelson (six years, $36 million) and right wing Jordan Eberle (five years, $27.5 million).

Restricted free agent forwards Anthony Beauvillier, Michael Dal Colle and Josh Ho-Sang remain unsigned. But Lamoriello said agreements are in place with two of them.

“None of our restricted free agents will be an issue, we’ll have everyone signed,” Lamoriello said. “A couple of them have already agreed, it’s just getting everything executed.”

Beauvillier, who played center in junior hockey but has played almost exclusively on the wing as a pro, is among the potential replacements for Filppula. Lamoriello also included Tanner Fritz, Otto Koivula and college signings Mason Jobst and Bobo Carpenter as those who could compete for the role.

But he did not place Casey Cizikas, who scored a career-high 20 goals last season, on the list because Lamoriello believes coach Barry Trotz will want to keep the invaluable fourth line of Cizikas with Matt Martin and Cal Clutterbuck intact.

“I don’t think Barry would want to tinker with the Cizikas-Martin-Clutterbuck line, he feels very strongly on that,” Lamoriello said.

Clutterbuck is recovering from offseason back surgery and Lamoriello said both he and left wing Andrew Ladd, who had surgery to repair a torn anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee, have resumed skating.

Lamoriello said Ladd “will be a little longer than Clutterbuck,” and he expects Clutterbuck to be ready for the start of the season.

“I do not foresee any issues for the latter part of training camp, the beginning of the season,” Lamoriello said.

Lamoriello said he also expects to bring at least one player into training camp on a professional tryout offer and did not rule out further personnel moves, either via free agency or trade.

“What we don’t want to do is overstock what we have,” Lamoriello said. “If we can pick the right kind of player that can complement, or we can complement him, we’ll do it.

“We also have a couple of excellent young players,” Lamoriello added. “We’re going to have to wait and see where they’re at. Because they’ll force us to make some decisions on all the players, who will be able to bring players in return in a trade.”

- UIF



Thanks
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Aug 15 @ 4:53 PM ET
I like the idea of Beau as a 3C.
- ses111


It seems like, if it works, it could be a better fit for him than just being another sort-of-2nd/sort-of-3rd line winger, of which the Isles already have a few.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Aug 15 @ 5:13 PM ET
It seems like, if it works, it could be a better fit for him than just being another sort-of-2nd/sort-of-3rd line winger, of which the Isles already have a few.
- UIF


Yep! I would not be against Beau and MDC on a 3rd line.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Aug 15 @ 6:45 PM ET
Yep! I would not be against Beau and MDC on a 3rd line.
- ses111


Bad idea we need trades. Lou needs to go to work.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Aug 15 @ 6:47 PM ET
Lou Lamoriello always believed the Islanders’ new arena at Belmont Park would become a reality. It’s likely he would never have agreed to become the team’s president and general manager in 2018 otherwise.

Still, Lamoriello knows how significant it is for the organization that the $1.3 billion arena and entertainment plan received its final approval from the state Franchise Oversight Board on Tuesday after the Empire State Development board voted on Aug. 8 in favor of the project.

“You know how big it is,” Lamoriello told Newsday on Thursday. “Without a new arena, there would not be the Islanders on Long Island. I think that says it all.”

Lamoriello was able to re-sign the team’s key unrestricted free agents this offseason except for goalie Robin Lehner and third-line center Valtteri Filppula. The previous summer, former captain John Tavares left for his hometown Toronto Maple Leafs for a seven-year, $77 million deal that was less than the Islanders offered.

The Islanders will continue to split games between NYCB Live’s Nassau Coliseum and Barclays Center in Brooklyn for a second straight season. Their new building is scheduled to open for the 2021-22 season and Lamoriello knows uncertainty about the Islanders’ arena situation was a factor when talking to free agents.

“I think that’s always something behind someone’s mind, including our own free agents,” Lamoriello said. “But they have the confidence in believing in our ownership’s commitment to getting the arena.”

Lamoriello was able to re-sign unrestricted free agents Anders Lee (seven years, $49 million), center Brock Nelson (six years, $36 million) and right wing Jordan Eberle (five years, $27.5 million).

Restricted free agent forwards Anthony Beauvillier, Michael Dal Colle and Josh Ho-Sang remain unsigned. But Lamoriello said agreements are in place with two of them.

“None of our restricted free agents will be an issue, we’ll have everyone signed,” Lamoriello said. “A couple of them have already agreed, it’s just getting everything executed.”

Beauvillier, who played center in junior hockey but has played almost exclusively on the wing as a pro, is among the potential replacements for Filppula. Lamoriello also included Tanner Fritz, Otto Koivula and college signings Mason Jobst and Bobo Carpenter as those who could compete for the role.

But he did not place Casey Cizikas, who scored a career-high 20 goals last season, on the list because Lamoriello believes coach Barry Trotz will want to keep the invaluable fourth line of Cizikas with Matt Martin and Cal Clutterbuck intact.

“I don’t think Barry would want to tinker with the Cizikas-Martin-Clutterbuck line, he feels very strongly on that,” Lamoriello said.

Clutterbuck is recovering from offseason back surgery and Lamoriello said both he and left wing Andrew Ladd, who had surgery to repair a torn anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee, have resumed skating.

Lamoriello said Ladd “will be a little longer than Clutterbuck,” and he expects Clutterbuck to be ready for the start of the season.

“I do not foresee any issues for the latter part of training camp, the beginning of the season,” Lamoriello said.

Lamoriello said he also expects to bring at least one player into training camp on a professional tryout offer and did not rule out further personnel moves, either via free agency or trade.

“What we don’t want to do is overstock what we have,” Lamoriello said. “If we can pick the right kind of player that can complement, or we can complement him, we’ll do it.

“We also have a couple of excellent young players,” Lamoriello added. “We’re going to have to wait and see where they’re at. Because they’ll force us to make some decisions on all the players, who will be able to bring players in return in a trade.”

- UIF



https://sub.newsday.com/bestdeal/
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Aug 15 @ 6:52 PM ET
“I don’t think Barry would want to tinker with the Cizikas-Martin-Clutterbuck line, he feels very strongly on that,” Lamoriello said

Imagine that? What’s wrong with Barry? It’s a forth line. Just plug any thugs in there on the wings, ridiculous really.
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Aug 15 @ 7:02 PM ET
“I don’t think Barry would want to tinker with the Cizikas-Martin-Clutterbuck line, he feels very strongly on that,” Lamoriello said

Imagine that? What’s wrong with Barry? It’s a forth line. Just plug any thugs in there on the wings, ridiculous really.

- nyisles7


Get off your high horse
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Aug 15 @ 7:13 PM ET
[quote=Upstate_isles]


Low horse Sir. I’m always wrong for Pete’s sake. You got the wrong guy.

Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Aug 15 @ 7:20 PM ET
[quote=nyisles7]
So I guess that means you cant confirm whether or not lou is doing anything in the front office
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Aug 15 @ 8:16 PM ET
[quote=Upstate_isles]

7 loves 4th lines. He thinks they are key to winning a Cup. Isles can go all the way as long as they have the great 4th line. Who cares the top 6 is not good enough. The Canes had no answer to that 4th line
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Aug 15 @ 8:43 PM ET
[quote=ses111]
Well 7 is an I K so theres that
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Aug 15 @ 8:51 PM ET
[quote=Upstate_isles]



7 is a good guy he just needs to stop seeing the 4th line as this all important line that is going to win the Cup for the Isles and the other lines do not matter. You can be the biggest Isles fan in the world and if you are not concerned with the current roster, I do not know what to tell you. Lou went after Panarin so he must know the top 6 needs help.
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Aug 15 @ 8:59 PM ET
[quote=ses111]
This is a great article and why theres such a hold up in the market.

https://theathletic.com/1...ts-nearly-every-nhl-team/
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Aug 15 @ 9:08 PM ET
[quote=Upstate_isles]

Thanks Upstate! I could not read it. I refuse to support Art and The Athletic. There are no moves to read about in hockey anyway. I'm all for getting rid of RFA's and limiting contracts to no more than 5 years. These 7 years deals are brutal. Get rid of NTC as well. It's horrible for the league to have these dead offseasons. If you cannot sign the few top UFA's that are even available and trades are so hard, what do you do to really improve quickly?
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Aug 15 @ 9:13 PM ET
[quote=ses111]
No one can make any moves until the top guys are signed and then teams know the market price and can make deals for other players. Basically the entire league is locked up until the top guys are signed and teams know how much money they have left and can then make moves.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Aug 15 @ 9:19 PM ET
[quote=Upstate_isles]

I'm not expecting much in terms of moves. Isles especially will not make an impact move unless Lou is willing to move Dobson. Leddy is not brining back an impact forward. NHL needs to change the system or the offseasons will continue to be watching paint dry.
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Aug 15 @ 9:35 PM ET
[quote=ses111]
Too bad you cant read the article it really looks at why
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Aug 15 @ 9:55 PM ET
[quote=Upstate_isles]

Probably for the best. It would just bum me out.
streaks
New York Islanders
Joined: 02.25.2018

Aug 16 @ 8:31 AM ET
Lou Lamoriello always believed the Islanders’ new arena at Belmont Park would become a reality. It’s likely he would never have agreed to become the team’s president and general manager in 2018 otherwise.

Still, Lamoriello knows how significant it is for the organization that the $1.3 billion arena and entertainment plan received its final approval from the state Franchise Oversight Board on Tuesday after the Empire State Development board voted on Aug. 8 in favor of the project.

“You know how big it is,” Lamoriello told Newsday on Thursday. “Without a new arena, there would not be the Islanders on Long Island. I think that says it all.”

Lamoriello was able to re-sign the team’s key unrestricted free agents this offseason except for goalie Robin Lehner and third-line center Valtteri Filppula. The previous summer, former captain John Tavares left for his hometown Toronto Maple Leafs for a seven-year, $77 million deal that was less than the Islanders offered.

The Islanders will continue to split games between NYCB Live’s Nassau Coliseum and Barclays Center in Brooklyn for a second straight season. Their new building is scheduled to open for the 2021-22 season and Lamoriello knows uncertainty about the Islanders’ arena situation was a factor when talking to free agents.

“I think that’s always something behind someone’s mind, including our own free agents,” Lamoriello said. “But they have the confidence in believing in our ownership’s commitment to getting the arena.”

Lamoriello was able to re-sign unrestricted free agents Anders Lee (seven years, $49 million), center Brock Nelson (six years, $36 million) and right wing Jordan Eberle (five years, $27.5 million).

Restricted free agent forwards Anthony Beauvillier, Michael Dal Colle and Josh Ho-Sang remain unsigned. But Lamoriello said agreements are in place with two of them.

“None of our restricted free agents will be an issue, we’ll have everyone signed,” Lamoriello said. “A couple of them have already agreed, it’s just getting everything executed.”

Beauvillier, who played center in junior hockey but has played almost exclusively on the wing as a pro, is among the potential replacements for Filppula. Lamoriello also included Tanner Fritz, Otto Koivula and college signings Mason Jobst and Bobo Carpenter as those who could compete for the role.

But he did not place Casey Cizikas, who scored a career-high 20 goals last season, on the list because Lamoriello believes coach Barry Trotz will want to keep the invaluable fourth line of Cizikas with Matt Martin and Cal Clutterbuck intact.

“I don’t think Barry would want to tinker with the Cizikas-Martin-Clutterbuck line, he feels very strongly on that,” Lamoriello said.

Clutterbuck is recovering from offseason back surgery and Lamoriello said both he and left wing Andrew Ladd, who had surgery to repair a torn anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee, have resumed skating.

Lamoriello said Ladd “will be a little longer than Clutterbuck,” and he expects Clutterbuck to be ready for the start of the season.

“I do not foresee any issues for the latter part of training camp, the beginning of the season,” Lamoriello said.

Lamoriello said he also expects to bring at least one player into training camp on a professional tryout offer and did not rule out further personnel moves, either via free agency or trade.

“What we don’t want to do is overstock what we have,” Lamoriello said. “If we can pick the right kind of player that can complement, or we can complement him, we’ll do it.

“We also have a couple of excellent young players,” Lamoriello added. “We’re going to have to wait and see where they’re at. Because they’ll force us to make some decisions on all the players, who will be able to bring players in return in a trade.”

- UIF

(frank) I thought he was done.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Aug 16 @ 10:50 AM ET
(frank) I thought he was done.
- streaks

Nope.

He's Islander-herpes, contracted from Garth Snow
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Aug 16 @ 11:02 AM ET
Nope.

He's Islander-herpes, contracted from Garth Snow

- eichiefs9


Love these 7 years deals.
Ben Shelley
Joined: 03.12.2019

Aug 16 @ 11:19 AM ET
Nice write up Ben! Will be very interesting to see if Dobson makes the team. Another year of Junior probably would not help much. It would be better for Dobson to start on the 3rd pair. I'm not sure how it works out though?
- ses111


Thank you!

Would agree he'd be likely to start on the third-pair for the beginning of the season if he does get a spot.
Ben Shelley
Joined: 03.12.2019

Aug 16 @ 11:25 AM ET
If he makes the team this season, do they need to protect him in the expansion draft?
- brodydog29


All players with two years or less in pro won't need to be protected, so Dobson would be exempt.

Thanks for reading!
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.21.2007

Aug 16 @ 3:13 PM ET
Speaking of Lou, here's a quote today in Newsday:

“What we don’t want to do is overstock what we have,” Lamoriello said. “If we can pick the right kind of player that can complement, or we can complement him, we’ll do it

“We also have a couple of excellent young players,” Lamoriello added. “We’re going to have to wait and see where they’re at. Because they’ll force us to make some decisions on all the players, who will be able to bring players in return in a trade.


That kind of sounds like a message to Dobson, along the lines of Chief's point yesterday that Dobson in the lineup makes a Leddy trade more likely.

There's also arena stuff in the article: https://www.newsday.com/s...-belmont-arena-1.35111400

- UIF



Leddy is a goner. This Dobson kid is legit
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