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MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Aug 6 @ 2:09 PM ET
if Liljegren wouldn't have gotten the injury (in December?) he was being brought up to the Leafs NHL squad. That would mean he would have made the NHL at same age (in months that is) as McAvoy. there is still hope for Liljebust
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Aug 6 @ 2:10 PM ET
Now I'm wondering if McAvoy got paid that year. I'm assuming just the per diem.

Damn, now I'm going to have to search the interwebs for that one.
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Aug 6 @ 2:12 PM ET
See above.
- Atomic Wedgie

Hmmm, I'm following what you're saying. I'd just question why they have this nugget in there:

"(c) Players With Fewer Than Three Years of Professional Experience.
Any Player with fewer than the required years of professional experience set forth
in Section 10.2 shall have no right to Free Agency except as provided in this section. Upon expiration of such a Player's SPC, the Club to whom the Player was last under SPC shall be entitled to make that Player a Qualifying Offer under the terms and conditions set forth in Section 10.2(a)(ii) above. A Club which makes this Qualifying Offer will have the exclusive right to negotiate with any such Player. In the event no such Qualifying Offer is made, the Player shall immediately become an Unrestricted Free Agent pursuant to Section 10.2(a)(iv) above."

First SPC Signing Age Eligible for Group 2 Free Agency
18 - 21 3 years professional experience
22 - 23 2 years professional experience
24 or older 1 year professional experience
For the purposes of this Section 10.2(a), a Player aged 18 or 19 earns a
year of professional experience by playing ten (10) or more NHL Games
in a given NHL Season, and a Player aged 20 or older (or who turns 20
between September 16 and December 31 of the year in which he signs his
first SPC) earns a year of professional experience by playing ten (10) or
more Professional Games under an SPC in a given League Year. "

They seem to follow under the same RFA section of the CBA. This poop is bonkers to me, admittedly so, so you may very well be right. I've read in numerous spots that he's a 10.2(c) and, at least to my (maybe not so great) understanding of what I'm reading in the CBA backs that up.

But really, who cares?
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Aug 6 @ 2:17 PM ET
Hmmm, I'm following what you're saying. I'd just question why they have this nugget in there:

"(c) Players With Fewer Than Three Years of Professional Experience.
Any Player with fewer than the required years of professional experience set forth
in Section 10.2 shall have no right to Free Agency except as provided in this section. Upon expiration of such a Player's SPC, the Club to whom the Player was last under SPC shall be entitled to make that Player a Qualifying Offer under the terms and conditions set forth in Section 10.2(a)(ii) above. A Club which makes this Qualifying Offer will have the exclusive right to negotiate with any such Player. In the event no such Qualifying Offer is made, the Player shall immediately become an Unrestricted Free Agent pursuant to Section 10.2(a)(iv) above."

First SPC Signing Age Eligible for Group 2 Free Agency
18 - 21 3 years professional experience
22 - 23 2 years professional experience
24 or older 1 year professional experience
For the purposes of this Section 10.2(a), a Player aged 18 or 19 earns a
year of professional experience by playing ten (10) or more NHL Games
in a given NHL Season, and a Player aged 20 or older (or who turns 20
between September 16 and December 31 of the year in which he signs his
first SPC) earns a year of professional experience by playing ten (10) or
more Professional Games under an SPC in a given League Year. "

They seem to follow under the same RFA section of the CBA. This poop is bonkers to me, admittedly so, so you may very well be right. I've read in numerous spots that he's a 10.2(c) and, at least to my (maybe not so great) understanding of what I'm reading in the CBA backs that up.

But really, who cares?

- RickJames77

This essentially backs up what I'm saying.

He didn't accrue 3 years of professional experience (for the purposes of calculating towards free agency), but his 3-year ELC expired.

Bruins made a qualifying offer, which gave them exclusive negotiating rights (i.e., no offer sheetsies, stamped it, stamped it, no erasies).
Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Aug 6 @ 2:21 PM ET
Did some cycling/boozing/boozing/boozing in Niagara on the Lake this weekend.

Got talking to a nice dude at one of the breweries - he told us about The Blueline Diner in Niagara Falls:

http://www.bluelinediner.com/home

Marcel Dionne owns it, and apparently he's in there almost every day.

We didn't end up going, but if I'm ever in Niagara Falls for breakfast, I'll check it out.

- Atomic Wedgie


The Blueline is about 600 yards from my house!
...and apparently Marcel is a bit of a whackjob!! Yelling at patrons, accusing people of stealing memorabilia...

Did you happen to include the Niagara College Teaching Brewery in your tour? My personal favourite of all the local craft breweries in the area.
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Aug 6 @ 2:24 PM ET
This essentially backs up what I'm saying.

He didn't accrue 3 years of professional experience (for the purposes of calculating towards free agency), but his 3-year ELC expired.

Bruins made a qualifying offer, which gave them exclusive negotiating rights (i.e., no offer sheetsies, stamped it, stamped it, no erasies).

- Atomic Wedgie

That's exactly what I was trying to say too

Maybe not clearly enough, but that's what a 10.2(c) RFA is. I didn't bring up the ELC slide, I thought you did? Anyways, we agree then.
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Aug 6 @ 2:26 PM ET
That's for the "entry level slide" which means that if you don't play 10 games, your ELC gets extended for an extra season.

It's a different calculation than "accrued season."

Yes, they try to make it as complicated as possible.

- Atomic Wedgie

I think this is what threw me off

That is the language for an accrued season for an 18-19yo. I guess it's the same for the slide as well.

I thought you were taking the stance that this was a slide situation (after backreading). Doh!
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Aug 6 @ 2:39 PM ET
I think this is what threw us off

That is the language for an accrued season for an 18-19yo. I guess it's the same for the slide as well.

- RickJames77


mcavoy played his ahl games in his 1st year under an amateur tryout.

so those games don't count and he only has 2 pro seasons.
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Aug 6 @ 2:41 PM ET
mcavoy played his ahl games in his 1st year under an amateur tryout.

so those games don't count and he only has 2 pro seasons.

- Tumbleweed
Oh ok, then that also makes sense.

Anyways, I'm all CBAed out

Thanks for the info Wedge and Tumbles
LeafGuy89
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 05.13.2017

Aug 6 @ 2:58 PM ET
#McAvoyBuzz
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Aug 6 @ 3:00 PM ET
#McAvoyBuzz
- LeafGuy89



Sorry.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Aug 6 @ 11:30 PM ET
Did some cycling/boozing/boozing/boozing in Niagara on the Lake this weekend.

Got talking to a nice dude at one of the breweries - he told us about The Blueline Diner in Niagara Falls:

http://www.bluelinediner.com/home

Marcel Dionne owns it, and apparently he's in there almost every day.

We didn't end up going, but if I'm ever in Niagara Falls for breakfast, I'll check it out.

- Atomic Wedgie


My dad and a couple of his buddy's were there not 3 weeks ago. He said it was great. Lots of memorabilia. Marcel Dionne wasn't there that day but his daughter and granddaughter (I'm pretty sure that's what he said) were.
LeafnsNxt2Godlyns
Location: Matt Stajan still sucks, even in Germany.
Joined: 07.20.2006

Aug 7 @ 12:02 AM ET
zomg...
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