gravyface
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Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown Joined: 02.19.2009
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i dont want barrie at 8x8.
and no it will still be tight. rielly raise. Anderson raise. that money will be gone quick. - systemtool
If we don't sign Barrie, that's a terrible move for 3 more years of cheap Kadri. I like Kerfoot from what I've seen, but Kadri holds more value for sure. |
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systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Real men always have to poo, ON Joined: 09.12.2007
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Well the age thing is fact. And comparing a much older forward to a D isn't good.
Tyler Myers had horrible advanced stats and look what he got. - RogerRoeper
Barrie will be 28 when he becomes a free agent. not eager to give a dman who cant play d an 8 year deal into his mid to late 30s
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systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Real men always have to poo, ON Joined: 09.12.2007
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If we don't sign Barrie, that's a terrible move for 3 more years of cheap Kadri. I like Kerfoot from what I've seen, but Kadri holds more value for sure. - gravyface
if we overpay to keep him that will be worse. |
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RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 03.27.2007
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If we don't sign Barrie, that's a terrible move for 3 more years of cheap Kadri. I like Kerfoot from what I've seen, but Kadri holds more value for sure. - gravyface
Kadri holds more value now, but Kerfoot is much younger, cheaper and had similar stats last year with worse usage.
Within a year or 2 you may think the opposite.
There's no way trading our 3rd line C for a top-pairing elite RH puck-moving D with 50% retained (!!!) and an established young 40 point forward is a bad move.
If you wait another year Kadri is going on 30 and he'd been farther removed from 30 goals which he'd never get close to as a 3rd line C in Toronto. They traded him at the right time. |
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Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: avid reader of the daily douche news Joined: 03.14.2014
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I thought Muzzin was great for us... - systemtool
Seemed like he was out there a lot against Boston's top line while not just carrying Z, but making him look good.
I don't recall Boston's top line being the problem 5v5. |
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RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 03.27.2007
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if we overpay to keep him that will be worse. - systemtool
Give me Barrie at 8 over Muzzin at 6 anyday. |
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systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Real men always have to poo, ON Joined: 09.12.2007
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Give me Barrie at 8 over Muzzin at 6 anyday. - RogerRoeper
ill pass on both if they demand too much dollars and term. not gonna pick a bad scenario because another might be seen as worse. those numbers are also pure speculation, or ug facts, however you wanna look at it. |
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Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: avid reader of the daily douche news Joined: 03.14.2014
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Muzzin's next contract will pay him based upon what he has done, instead of what he will do.
We don't have the cap space to compensate him for the money he should have made on his last contract.
I'll pass. - Atomic Wedgie
Should have traded for kneel.
Stoopid dubas.
https://www.nhl.com/news/...s-after-trade/c-308308898
"Neal said he has had a solid offseason under the guidance of longtime friend Gary Roberts,"
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RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 03.27.2007
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Leafs have a fantastic cap situation and people are brainwashed. |
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gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown Joined: 02.19.2009
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Barrie will be 28 when he becomes a free agent. not eager to give a dman who cant play d an 8 year deal into his mid to late 30s - systemtool
I love how "D-man puts up points" always has to end with "can't play D". Like the concepts are mutually exclusive.
He has the puck... alot. Can Rielly play D? Both are strong down low, explosive, and can get the puck out. |
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gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown Joined: 02.19.2009
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Kadri holds more value now, but Kerfoot is much younger, cheaper and had similar stats last year with worse usage.
Within a year or 2 you may think the opposite.
There's no way trading our 3rd line C for a top-pairing elite RH puck-moving D with 50% retained (!!!) and an established young 40 point forward is a bad move.
If you wait another year Kadri is going on 30 and he'd been farther removed from 30 goals which he'd never get close to as a 3rd line C in Toronto. They traded him at the right time. - RogerRoeper
Time will tell, but again, going by actual valuations around the league -- Kadri was highly sought after -- Kerfoot + 1-year top-4 RHD rental is not great value for 2x30 goal scoring 2C in his prime on a cheap contract with term.
We got 2 years of Muzzin for significantly less, who was a legit top-4 LHD in his prime.
Again, not saying I don't like this deal -- I do -- but signing Barrie is key to that and hopefully for something reasonable. |
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bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: I'm excited to see that Joined: 08.28.2010
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You are not paying attention to what players over the age of thirty are receiving for contracts lately. Pavelski - a much more valuable player than Muzzin could not get 3 years from San Jose. Both term and AAV have gone down significantly for over 30 UFA in the past two years. Can he get more from a sh!t team that hopes to scrape into a wildcard - maybe. Will he sign up for that? - winsix
Call me a Debbie Downer, but next year I think the Leafs hope to scrape into a wild card spot. |
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Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: The centre of the hockey universe Joined: 07.31.2006
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To be perfectly honest, I know absolutely nothing about Barrie (or Kerfoot).
I reserve my right to wait until the end of November to even start talking about whether or not we want to re-sign him.
For now, I'll just enjoy the fact we have him for a year, while Colorado pays half his cap hit. |
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Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: God Leafs Satan The Oneness, ON Joined: 02.28.2011
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Just wondering...serious question. If the Leafs have been golfing since 1967, how long have the Canucks been golfing? They've never won a cup so is it since the Big Bang? Infinity? Undefined? - winsix
Golfing since infinity! Also still below 500 all-time. |
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BetterCallSaul
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Captain Morgan Rielly Joined: 05.07.2013
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I love how "D-man puts up points" always has to end with "can't play D". Like the concepts are mutually exclusive.
He has the puck... alot. Can Rielly play D? Both are strong down low, explosive, and can get the puck out. - gravyface
Rielly looks really strong defensively on most nights. |
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walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita Joined: 07.14.2011
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Muzzin's next contract will pay him based upon what he has done, instead of what he will do.
We don't have the cap space to compensate him for the money he should have made on his last contract.
I'll pass. - Atomic Wedgie
I'll be even more pissed if we traded Grundstrom, Durzi and a 1st for what's possibly 14 playoff games of Muzzin.
(frank) that noise. That's a helluva price to pay |
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Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: God Leafs Satan The Oneness, ON Joined: 02.28.2011
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To be perfectly honest, I know absolutely nothing about Barrie (or Kerfoot).
I reserve my right to wait until the end of November to even start talking about whether or not we want to re-sign him.
For now, I'll just enjoy the fact we have him for a year, while Colorado pays half his cap hit. - Atomic Wedgie
This. I know (frank) all about both of them. |
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walshyleafsfan
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Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita Joined: 07.14.2011
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To be perfectly honest, I know absolutely nothing about Barrie (or Kerfoot).
I reserve my right to wait until the end of November to even start talking about whether or not we want to re-sign him.
For now, I'll just enjoy the fact we have him for a year, while Colorado pays half his cap hit. - Atomic Wedgie
Barrie is awesome offensively. A better version of Jake Gardiner. Not great in his own zone, but how many defensemen are these days? His errors won't be a glaring as Gardiner's, but he'll make them.
An absolute must to have in fantasy hockey.
This year, assuming he's on PP2, his value in fantasy went down a fair bit.
Kerfoot, I honestly don't see him as a centre. But looks like he'll have to be. I think in a perfect world (assuming we still had Kadri) he'd play alongside Matthews and Nylander. |
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systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Real men always have to poo, ON Joined: 09.12.2007
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I love how "D-man puts up points" always has to end with "can't play D". Like the concepts are mutually exclusive.
He has the puck... alot. Can Rielly play D? Both are strong down low, explosive, and can get the puck out. - gravyface
going off reports from tne media when the trade went down. that barrie isnt strong in his own end. it isnt said of every dman lol. |
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BetterCallSaul
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Captain Morgan Rielly Joined: 05.07.2013
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Barrie is awesome offensively. A better version of Jake Gardiner. Not great in his own zone, but how many defensemen are these days? His errors won't be a glaring as Gardiner's, but he'll make them.
An absolute must to have in fantasy hockey.
This year, assuming he's on PP2, his value in fantasy went down a fair bit.
Kerfoot, I honestly don't see him as a centre. But looks like he'll have to be. I think in a perfect world (assuming we still had Kadri) he'd play alongside Matthews and Nylander. - walshyleafsfan
Probably smart to grab both Barrie and Rielly early in the draft this year. One of them is bound to have an exceptional season. |
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walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita Joined: 07.14.2011
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Probably smart to grab both Barrie and Rielly early in the draft this year. One of them is bound to have an exceptional season. - BetterCallSaul
Yeah m. I have my go to's that always seem to drop a bit. Added Rielly to the list last year as we knew he'd get the PP time.
Barkov
Monahan
Backstrom
Stone
Hoffman
Barrie
And now Rielly
Every year |
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Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: God Leafs Satan The Oneness, ON Joined: 02.28.2011
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going off reports from tne media when the trade went down. that barrie isnt strong in his own end. it isnt said of every dman lol. - systemtool
Based on what I read here on HB, the only dman who's great in the entire world is Seth Jones. |
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walshyleafsfan
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Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita Joined: 07.14.2011
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Based on what I read here on HB, the only dman who's great in the entire world is Seth Jones. - Zezel
Holy (frank) he's good though. Everything you want in a number 1 dman |
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systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Real men always have to poo, ON Joined: 09.12.2007
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Probably smart to grab both Barrie and Rielly early in the draft this year. One of them is bound to have an exceptional season. - BetterCallSaul
Rielly is coming off of one. He should be a beast again. |
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Zezel
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Location: God Leafs Satan The Oneness, ON Joined: 02.28.2011
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Holy (frank) he's good though. Everything you want in a number 1 dman - walshyleafsfan
Lol yeah he is, I'm just being contrarian. |
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