I think Barrie gets Muzzin wether we like it or not.

And Dermott gets a shot on the RS with Rielly facing secondary comp.

Also Sandin wouldn’t be the 7th.

Other than that I agree.
- Santo_44

Barrie will be getting top minutes, I think you have to put him with Rielly.

Says the guy talking poop about Adam French's Russian player analysis.

Leafs in 5.


- JohnFergusonJr

Yeah I’ve disagreed with some in the past and I’ve been right.

Regardless we all laugh at you so keep going.

We all could use some laughs.

(frank)ing hell. I leave for a few hours, come back, and find all the windows have been licked clean.

Id probably like him more than Petan.

But Bracco, Agostino, Engvall, Korshkov are all possible as well.

Also Shore.
- Santo_44

Shore showed us nothing, times up.
Bracco isn't what the Leafs need right now, they need a big body that can contribute.

Barrie will be getting top minutes, I think you have to put him with Rielly.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Babcock was using Muzz against top competition late in the season and playoffs. He did a fantastic job.

Rielly was used against secondary competition and more O zone starts so he could score more. I think Derms would slide into that role nicely.

Then you aren't looking objectively.

The Capitals had a better goalie behind them in Holtby, for starters and they also had a top four stronger than the Leafs top four. They had a shutdown pair in Niskanen and Orlov, both play way better in their own zone than the likes of Ceci or Barrie.

The Leafs have D that can skate, pass and score points. But the majority of them can't actually play defense and shutdown the other team. Ceci is garbage and Barrie isn't very good in his own zone either.
- JohnFergusonJr

I can often agree with the periphery of what you're saying (a more well rounded team is typically been used used historically), or at least objectively agree with the context of a position (defense wins; what constitutes as D now in the NHL is debatable depending on the officiating & series, but that's another discussion). So I get the conversation.

I can't really agree with this. Well. Let me put it this way: Orlov has moments, and is a tough player. But he's pretty meh. Niskanen is not very good in my opinion. I don't think that's a particularly effective shut-down pairing. Are they ostensibly better than pretty much any pairing with Ceci on it? Probably.

But given that I don't think the Caps really had much of a shut down pairing either, it's like arguing who has the finer quality of garbage.

Arguing that Barrie isn't good in his end is fine, but Carlson sucks back there, too. All teams have their weaknesses. I'd like the Leafs to have a "the man" back there as well, but I don't see it happening.

Shore showed us nothing, times up.
Bracco isn't what the Leafs need right now, they need a big body that can contribute.
- bobbyisno1

Depends.

I haven’t seen what the 2nd PP is like. We could need Bracco there.

There’s just one spot(2 until Hyman comes back) and a lot of competition. Plus I think we still see another signing or PTO.

Babcock was using Muzz against top competition late in the season and playoffs. He did a fantastic job.

Rielly was used against secondary competition and more O zone starts so he could score more. I think Derms would slide into that role nicely.
- Santo_44

Chinese Knock-off UG says Muzzin is overrated. Because reasons.

Depends.

I haven’t seen what the 2nd PP is like. We could need Bracco there.

There’s just one spot(2 until Hyman comes back) and a lot of competition. Plus I think we still see another signing or PTO.
- Santo_44

Shore is a son of a friend but I don't see it and we really don't need another small forward.
Marchment has size heart and skill if he doesn't get a shot there's something wrong.

How do you know this?
- Santo_44

how's it going ug? here's the answer you're looking for.

I can often agree with the periphery of what you're saying (a more well rounded team is typically been used used historically), or at least objectively agree with the context of a position (defense wins; what constitutes as D now in the NHL is debatable depending on the officiating & series, but that's another discussion). So I get the conversation.

I can't really agree with this. Well. Let me put it this way: Orlov has moments, and is a tough player. But he's pretty meh. Niskanen is not very good in my opinion. I don't think that's a particularly effective shut-down pairing. Are they ostensibly better than pretty much any pairing with Ceci on it? Probably.

But given that I don't think the Caps really had much of a shut down pairing either, it's like arguing who has the finer quality of garbage.

Arguing that Barrie isn't good in his end is fine, but Carlson sucks back there, too. All teams have their weaknesses. I'd like the Leafs to have a "the man" back there as well, but I don't see it happening.
- Monkeypunk

If you compared the Caps defense to the Blues defense, the Blues defense is way, way better. Was the Caps defense amazing? No. But they were just good enough to get the job done considering who they had in front of them and who they had behind them.

The same can't be said about the Leafs. The Caps had a defense that would bend but not break. The Leafs have a defense that can and most likely will break. And the Leafs don't have the luxury of the (possibly) greatest goal scorer of all-time in front of them or the absolute best goalie behind them either.

Maybe if they took some weight off Andersen's shoulders (fewer games, better back-up etc.) then maybe he could make up enough of the difference. But they don't appear to be willing to do that this year.

how's it going ug? here's the answer you're looking for.


- Bob_Zuruncle

Huh?

So he had Leaf blankets? I’m sure a lot of players did.

This doesn't prove anything.

Chinese Knock-off UG says Muzzin is overrated. Because reasons.
- Steven_Seagull

Chinese Knock-off UG says Muzzin is overrated. Because reasons.
- Steven_Seagull

(frank) I know

All I see is he elevates everyone’s game.

Even Z somehow.

Huh?

So he had Leaf blankets? I’m sure a lot of players did.

This doesn't prove anything.
- Santo_44

right...keep telling yourself that.

dubas is a retard, i have no faith in him. to date he has done nothing for this team aside from acquire jake muzzin and 1 year of barrie in exchange for 3 years of kadri. leafs ownership was targeting tavares since before he was drafted, so i don't even give him credit for that signing.
- Bob_Zuruncle

"Dubas was the big reason that he was convinced to come to Toronto"- Literally everyone involved with it

"Nuh uh!"- Your stupid ass

He's ready and he's tough as nails, might be a liitle slow but who cares it's the third line.
- bobbyisno1

Biggest factor against him is that he keeps getting injured. Really hurt his development.

I really like the way he plays when healthy.

The Leafs really need a heavy 3rd line to go up against Bostons 1st line.

"Dubas was the big reason that he was convinced to come to Toronto"- Literally everyone involved with it

"Nuh uh!"- Your stupid ass


- GreatGigInTheSky

right...keep telling yourself that.
- Bob_Zuruncle

Why does this prove anything?

I’m actually curious.

Biggest factor against him is that he keeps getting injured. Really hurt his development.

I really like the way he plays when healthy.
- GreatGigInTheSky

What? i'm a talking about Marchment here.
Can't remember 1 injury.

Biggest factor against him is that he keeps getting injured. Really hurt his development.

I really like the way he plays when healthy.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Every game i've been to, he's been in the line up.

The Leafs really need a heavy 3rd line to go up against Bostons 1st line.
- bobbyisno1

Moore-Kerfoot-Kapanen

A little small, but fast and tenacious as (frank). Put Marchment on the 4th with the Russian and Spezz-daddy.

Biggest factor against him is that he keeps getting injured. Really hurt his development.

I really like the way he plays when healthy.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Plus i can get the box in Belleville if anybody wants to go.

Moore-Kerfoot-Kapanen

A little small, but fast and tenacious as (frank). Put Marchment on the 4th with the Russian and Spezz-daddy.
- Steven_Seagull

Kerfoot is not small and I want to see Marchment on the left side.
He's not small either.