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Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jul 17 @ 12:03 PM ET
Mathews has not played a full season in the NHL. He needs to show that he can actually put up 120-130 points and win the art Ross to deserve this coin. Not just a projection off 70 points on what he may have gotten had he played a full season.
- B-Wforever


Huh?

Sorry man but that’s not how you value players. In the last 3 years...at 19,20,21 he has smashed everyone in the league at 5v5.

Not even at projections. With 30 less games played and hundreds of less mins he’s smashed the likes of McDavid, Ovi, Kane, Crosby.

He’s 5th in goals in all situations. He’s 1st in goals per 60 in all situations.

He’s tops in the league. It’s a fact and you can’t just say “he needs to play 10 more games each season to prove it.”

That’s not how you judge value. Put the three seasons together...

He needs more PP time. His PPP/per 60 percentage is literally the exact same as McDavid.


You don’t judge value by winning a pointless season award. You judge it by overall production where he has excelled.

And at 21 if you want 5 years you have to pay him at 22,23,24,25,26,27. Where he will get better and his production will improve. You have to pay for his trajectory...the only way around it is signing a bridge deal.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jul 17 @ 12:04 PM ET
Would.
- Fakepartofme

I heard she's frigid.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jul 17 @ 12:05 PM ET
Mathews has not played a full season in the NHL. He needs to show that he can actually put up 120-130 points and win the art Ross to deserve this coin. Not just a projection off 70 points on what he may have gotten had he played a full season.
- B-Wforever

You may want to check that.
RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

Jul 17 @ 12:05 PM ET
Mathews has not played a full season in the NHL. He needs to show that he can actually put up 120-130 points and win the art Ross to deserve this coin. Not just a projection off 70 points on what he may have gotten had he played a full season.
- B-Wforever

Jesus Christ. Only two players have put up 120 points in 12-13 seasons. Both this year. Your rationale is stupid and wrong.

Matthews is the best goal scorer in the league.
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Jul 17 @ 12:05 PM ET
I prefer


- AdamFrench

What in the flying (frank)?
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jul 17 @ 12:06 PM ET
Jesus Christ. Only two players have put up 120 points in 12-13 seasons. Both this year. Your rationale is stupid and wrong.

Matthews is the best goal scorer in the league.

- RafiDRW


It’s quite funny
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Jul 17 @ 12:07 PM ET
You may want to check that.
- Atomic Wedgie

Why check stats to back up your arguments? Just make them up as you go and hope no one notices. That’s the real HB way.
BALUCHA
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Jul 17 @ 12:07 PM ET
That's a pretty bad PP division.

First unit - 4F 1D
Sexind unit - 3F, 2D....

You really trust muzzin to hold the line on his own? And any of those forwards to double back if needed?
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jul 17 @ 12:08 PM ET
Pasta had a 70pt season followed by an 80pt season so no I'm not following...
- RickJames77


Pasta drafted same year as Nylander and has outperformed him to date both in regular season and playoffs. He also has a physical element which Nylander hasn't yet showed. This is not to say that Nylander can't improve significantly, but at this point the Pastrnak looks to be a better deal - based on performance and results.
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Jul 17 @ 12:08 PM ET
Pasta drafted same year as Nylander and has outperformed him to date both in regular season and playoffs. He also has a physical element which Nylander hasn't yet showed. This is not to say that Nylander can't improve significantly, but at this point the Pastrnak looks to be a better deal - based on performance and results.
- winsix


based on everything
RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

Jul 17 @ 12:08 PM ET
It’s quite funny
- Santo_44

Yes it is. I can understand people arguing Nylander contract to a point. I personally think it’s on the high end of acceptable. But to argue what Matthews’ brings is insane. Says he needs to be on Eichel’s pay level.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Jul 17 @ 12:08 PM ET
becomes, but what if he only hits 55 points?
- bobbyisno1

Then we release the MAX!.

or is it the ATHERIAL!

i forget who is always trying to trade him.

But someone will raise hell

Lol
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Jul 17 @ 12:09 PM ET
I heard she's frigid.
- Atomic Wedgie

Oh you.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Jul 17 @ 12:09 PM ET
What in the flying (frank)?
- RickJames77

DON'T JUDGE ME!!!!!!
bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

Jul 17 @ 12:09 PM ET
I prefer


- AdamFrench

What is your gun of preference?
RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

Jul 17 @ 12:09 PM ET
based on everything
- TheMussel

Yep. Nylander is a hell of a player, but Pasta is just a bit better all around. Would rather have him.
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Jul 17 @ 12:12 PM ET
Yep. Nylander is a hell of a player, but Pasta is just a bit better all around. Would rather have him.
- RafiDRW


Nylander is better looking tho...
RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

Jul 17 @ 12:13 PM ET
Nylander is better looking tho...
- TheMussel

Yeah, but he’s not nicknamed after a food...
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Jul 17 @ 12:14 PM ET
Yeah, but he’s not nicknamed after a food...
- RafiDRW

And a great food item it is.
bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

Jul 17 @ 12:14 PM ET
Yeah, but he’s not nicknamed after a food...
- RafiDRW

Pasta is not a food, it's a food group....
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Jul 17 @ 12:14 PM ET
Yeah, but he’s not nicknamed after a food...
- RafiDRW

We could make Nylander the Swedish Meatball?
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jul 17 @ 12:15 PM ET
Yeah, but he’s not nicknamed after a food...
- RafiDRW

His nickname is Willie...

...so your mom disagrees.
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Retired, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Jul 17 @ 12:15 PM ET
based on everything
- TheMussel

Willys hotter tho.

And don’t underestimate how important that is to the derps.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Jul 17 @ 12:15 PM ET
He didn't get that much time with Matthews....

But thats besides the point...He isn't getting the right PP usage. Even last year his even strength numbers were decent.

He played on the 2nd PP getting minimal time with Ennis and Lievo...

The PP is where players get inflated stats depending on how they are being used.

- Santo_44


I wasn’t talking last year, more when he got 60. Anyways, they were handed prime mins while Kadri and co. handled the top lines.

Let’s hope he has a good year, put him on Matthews wing and I’m sure he’ll get some assists.
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Jul 17 @ 12:15 PM ET
Yeah, but he’s not nicknamed after a food...
- RafiDRW


Wrong again, you can totally eat a Willy
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