Watch closely this year.

And watch Kapanen do his little speed into the O zone and stop quickly and turn around.

He does that 99% of the time. He’s the one we should be begging to crash the net because with his speed it would create havoc.

I get that he had a concussion close the the playoffs which is maybe why he took his foot of the gas a bit....but even before that he did the same move every time.
- Santo_44

You watch closely ha

Well Matthews and Nylander aren't overpaid so we are fine there...I get the Nylander confusion he had a (frank)ed up year...but Matthews? Come on man he is far from being overpaid.

The jury is out on Marner. He will be overpaid at anything over 10.
- Santo_44

Paying good players well is a nice dilemma. A worse one is paying lousy or unproductive players well. Nylander, Marner, Matthews and Tavares are all ok. Ceci - not sure yet. Not many bad deals on the Leafs currently. Same can't be said for LA, Chicago, Vancouver, Edmonton and Ottawa.

I love the way Dorion is loading up on players that have received their bonus checks to avoid paying real dollars and raise the cap to the floor. Anisimov and Zaitsev. Sounds like an excellent plan for success.

League comparatively, which is really all that matters as what your competition is paying directly relates to how you'll compete, they are definitely overpaid.

Nylander should be a 5-5.5 (I would argue he should be paid roughly the same as Johnssen and Kappinen), Mathews you can maybe argue 10 only because he was a 1st overall pick with huge upside potential. Although I would argue paying more than Kucherov (9.5) is detrimental. Marner should fall in between at no more than 8. So they are 2 mil high on Nylander, 1.5 high on Mathews and it sounds like will be 2 mil high on Marner when the dust settles.

That's 5.5 mil that buys (or keeps) you a really good player that can help win a cup.
- B-Wforever

Not based on his stats, no. He had 2 60 point seasons. Kapanen has hit 40 once. You are underrating Nylander here. Same with Johnsson, only hit 40 points once.

Are you?
- gergeswillems

Gonna be..

The Leafs corsi ain't great.
- bobbyisno1

Probably why Dubas looks so (frank)ing stressed out all the time!

League comparatively, which is really all that matters as what your competition is paying directly relates to how you'll compete, they are definitely overpaid.

Nylander should be a 5-5.5 (I would argue he should be paid roughly the same as Johnssen and Kappinen), Mathews you can maybe argue 10 only because he was a 1st overall pick with huge upside potential. Although I would argue paying more than Kucherov (9.5) is detrimental. Marner should fall in between at no more than 8. So they are 2 mil high on Nylander, 1.5 high on Mathews and it sounds like will be 2 mil high on Marner when the dust settles.

That's 5.5 mil that buys (or keeps) you a really good player that can help win a cup.
- B-Wforever

Huh? You can't just say a random number and say it is true....Give me the facts. Why is Matthews worth no more than 10 and why is Nylander only worth more than 5?

And give me facts because I will gladly show you why they are worth their pay...Possibly even worth more.

Not based on his stats, no. He had 2 60 point seasons. Kapanen has hit 40 once. You are underrating Nylander here.
- RogerRoeper

If Nylander plays with Matthews he likely hits 70.

League comparatively, which is really all that matters as what your competition is paying directly relates to how you'll compete, they are definitely overpaid.

Nylander should be a 5-5.5 (I would argue he should be paid roughly the same as Johnssen and Kappinen), Mathews you can maybe argue 10 only because he was a 1st overall pick with huge upside potential. Although I would argue paying more than Kucherov (9.5) is detrimental. Marner should fall in between at no more than 8. So they are 2 mil high on Nylander, 1.5 high on Mathews and it sounds like will be 2 mil high on Marner when the dust settles.

That's 5.5 mil that buys (or keeps) you a really good player that can help win a cup.
- B-Wforever

The "problems" the Leafs are having are due to the level of talent vs. the cap. We should be loving these 'problems'. Aside from Ceci there are no bad contracts on this team right now. Do we need to get Wedgie to recite the 07/08 roster?

If Willie isn't your favourite player ..I get it. But Willie at 6.9 is low risk and is much more likely to look brilliant next summer than it is a bust. Not even close.
- The Law

They actually weren't that bad.

Finished with 83 points. 11 points out of a playoff.

Sundin, Antropov, Kaberly, Blake, Steen, Kubina, Pony, Tucker, Stajan, McCabe, Wellwood, Ian Wihte, Hal Gill, then it starts getting dark.

I don't think people understand how good Nylander's stats were going into that negotiation. He had Pastrnak, Draisaitl numbers.

GMs like Lou lare giving 1 time 50 point players 6-7 million per. What's the big deal about Nylander?

If Nylander plays with Matthews he likely hits 70.
- gergeswillems

I think Nylander is a lock for 70 at least this season. He also shot just over 5% last season. Won't occur again.

He’s kind of like a Phil kessel in the corners. Nylander tries to take the puck using skill instead of the body.

Phil has seemed to do ok without playing the body either. Nylander has a great shot like Phil but he needs to hit the net more.
- bryant

Believe it or not, that's how the kids are coached these days.

There's a belief that the stick-check is better than the body check - because the body check knocks the dude off the puck, but it also takes you out of the play, or at least knocks you off the line you want to skate.

They think it's more efficient to stick-check, because you are instantly headed where you want, and the other guy is probably going away from you.

Don't shoot the messenger here - I'm just reporting what I've heard. I don't necessarily agree with it.

- AdamFrench

It is (frank)ed how some fans operate.

They just state something with zero facts behind it and expect it to be true.

I don't think people understand how good Nylander's stats were going into that negotiation. He had Pastrnak, Draisaitl numbers.

GMs like Lou lare giving 1 time 50 point players 6-7 million per. What's the big deal about Nylander?
- RogerRoeper

No he didn't

League comparatively, which is really all that matters as what your competition is paying directly relates to how you'll compete, they are definitely overpaid.

Nylander should be a 5-5.5 (I would argue he should be paid roughly the same as Johnssen and Kappinen), Mathews you can maybe argue 10 only because he was a 1st overall pick with huge upside potential. Although I would argue paying more than Kucherov (9.5) is detrimental. Marner should fall in between at no more than 8. So they are 2 mil high on Nylander, 1.5 high on Mathews and it sounds like will be 2 mil high on Marner when the dust settles.

That's 5.5 mil that buys (or keeps) you a really good player that can help win a cup.
- B-Wforever

This is a terrible take.

It's the same argument all the time, Leafs "Best Players" are highly payed. Guess what? They should be. What occurred around July 1st was hilarious. All these idiotic GMS overpaying for older supporting talent are going to be in big trouble.

Read This:

https://theathletic.com/1...eams-contract-efficiency/

Leafs are #3 on best value contracts in the NHL.


Leafs litterally have no "Bad contracts" after ditching Lou's 2 brutal ones. If Nylander at 6.9 is your posterboy for a "Bad Contract", you are in great shape.

I don't think people understand how good Nylander's stats were going into that negotiation. He had Pastrnak, Draisaitl numbers.

GMs like Lou lare giving 1 time 50 point players 6-7 million per. What's the big deal about Nylander?
- RogerRoeper

He did not have Pasta or Drai like numbers.

He did not have Pasta or Drai like numbers.
- RafiDRW

Yes he did. Pasta and Drais both hit 70, Nylander did not. But Nylander hit 60 twice neither did that. He had a better PPG than them.

2 61 point seasons by age 21 is very, very good. And he didn't even get very good usage by Babcock.

I find it hilarious people think he's millions overpayed.

It is (frank)ed how some fans operate.

They just state something with zero facts behind it and expect it to be true.
- Santo_44

The problem is all of the superstars on sweet deals makes it look like they are underpaid because it's hard to look back and see the cap as what it once was etc. Or the situations. Nylander coming off back to back 60+ seasons vs MacKinnon as an example (in a lower cap era) coming off 38 and 52 point seasons.

Not based on his stats, no. He had 2 60 point seasons. Kapanen has hit 40 once. You are underrating Nylander here. Same with Johnsson, only hit 40 points once.
- RogerRoeper

To be fair, you'd have to look at ice time, and PP ice time.

Nylander has had more opportunities.

I'm not saying Kapanen and Johnnson are equivalent to Nylander, but I am saying it's a little more complicated than simply looking at point totals.

Yes he did. Pasta and Drais both hit 70, Nylander did not. But Nylander hit 60 twice neither did that. He had a better PPG than them.

2 61 point seasons by age 21 is very, very good. And he didn't even get very good usage by Babcock.

I find it hilarious people think he's millions overpayed.
- RogerRoeper

61pts does not equal 70 or 77 points for Pasta and Drai respectively.

He’s not over paid, but he’s not underpaid either. He’s at the sweet spot that is on the higher side of acceptable. He can easily become a value contract though if he continues to get better.

To be fair, you'd have to look at ice time, and PP ice time.

Nylander has had more opportunities.

I'm not saying Kapanen and Johnnson are equivalent to Nylander, but I am saying it's a little more complicated than simply looking at point totals.
- Atomic Wedgie

Kapanen actually got more TOI last year than Nylander has in all but 1 season (And only 4 sec. diff).

Nylander's usage hasn't been anything great at all.

61pts does not equal 70 or 77 points for Pasta and Drai respectively.
- RafiDRW

Pasta and Drais went from 30 to 70. Nylander had 2 60 point seasons. See the difference?

Yes he did. Pasta and Drais both hit 70, Nylander did not. But Nylander hit 60 twice neither did that. He had a better PPG than them.

2 61 point seasons by age 21 is very, very good. And he didn't even get very good usage by Babcock.

I find it hilarious people think he's millions overpayed.
- RogerRoeper

I don't think he's millions overpaid, but no he wasn't close to Pastrnak in 2016-2017- & 2017-2018. Like .955ppg vs .7484ppg not close

yep.

he's coming off a bad season. maybe it is better than it looks, but that one has red flags all over it.
- Tumbleweed

That contract will continue to look bad as long as LA is bad.

He’s won his cups, and got paid. Now he lives in LA with lots of cash. If the team sucks around him I think he will be hard to keep him motivated.