God how I won't miss that!

It'll be so refreshing to be all like, "(frank)ing Ceci. What a tool." It rolls off the tongue better than, "(frank)ing, Zaitsev. What a tool."

I'm also positive I can say Ceci while drunk. It's a win-win.
- Monkeypunk

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say, Ceci is better than Zaitzev.

Hopefully Dubas can find a sucker to take on Nylander before everyone really finds out how gutless his play is. We're in for another disappointing season if he's still on the roster come the playoffs. He hasn't shown any heart and willingness to do what it takes to win, unless you count putting the puck in your own net. He's done that.

Hopefully Dubas can find a sucker to take on Nylander before everyone really finds out how gutless his play is. We're in for another disappointing season if he's still on the roster come the playoffs. He hasn't shown any heart and willingness to do what it takes to win, unless you count putting the puck in your own net. He's done that.
- JDub76

Oh god. LOL. GMs would line up for Willy right now.

Hopefully Dubas can find a sucker to take on Nylander before everyone really finds out how gutless his play is. We're in for another disappointing season if he's still on the roster come the playoffs. He hasn't shown any heart and willingness to do what it takes to win, unless you count putting the puck in your own net. He's done that.
- JDub76

Oh he did not, he coughed it up to the Bruin so he could put it in the Leafs net.

Believe it or not, but he was an undradted college FA out of Michigan State. One of the best undrafted college FA to sign IMO. Maybe the best, but it’s hard to find a list and I’m sure there were other good ones, but none that I remember coming close to the talent he has.
- RickJames77

Martin St. Louis and Adam Oates usually top the list (as an aside, I had a buddy growing up whose sister dated Oates - my buddy used to wear Oates' RPI jacket).

Of the top of my head, you also have Cujo and Belfour, Rafalski,Mike Ridley (not a great career, but he came out of Canadian university hockey - which at the time was crap) John Madden, Joe Mullen.

I'm sure there are others I'm not remembering.

Less than Kapanen got this past year is great?
- RogerRoeper

Huh? 2 years ago Nylander had more ice with Matthews 5v5 then KK and more PP time not really sure what you’re referring too.

Unless you think KK should be scoring lots on the PK?

The way i'm reading it is that they have 28 million in cap space next year, that's without Marner on the books or the cap increase.
- bobbyisno1

Sure. What I did was just skip over the 1 for 1 deals. You have guys at or around league minimum like Shore, Spezza, Hutchison, Gauthier, Harpur, Marincin, Holl - which is about $6m, plus the $12m in notable player contracts, plus the $10m or so that Marner will get.

I simply exclude the $6m, because those roles are already going to be filled by other similarly structured contracts. If Spezza performs and can continue to perform and wants to stick around for under $1m, then maybe he does, but the point is that those roles are either for promoted Marlies or fill-ins. So the cost is the same.

If Marner signs for less than $10m, that's a bonus. If the cap goes up by more than $2m, that's a bonus. But it's all doable, I think.

All of this would be great to see, but individual achievements won't mean a thing if they can't keep the puck out of their net. There is a reason Babcock doesn't put Willy on Matthews line. His defensive game isn't ready yet. So sure it would be great to see 50 from Matthews and 75 points from Nylander, but with a very offensive defence core, and no Dermott for 2 months my guess is Nylander plays lower down the lineup with players that are better defensively.

Martin St. Louis and Adam Oates usually top the list (as an aside, I had a buddy growing up whose sister dated Oates - my buddy used to wear Oates' RPI jacket).

Of the top of my head, you also have Cujo and Belfour, Rafalski,Mike Ridley (not a great career, but he came out of Canadian university hockey - which at the time was crap) John Madden, Joe Mullen.

I'm sure there are others I'm not remembering.
- Atomic Wedgie

Oh yeah, I once cooked dinner for Neil Young, he had a steak stirfry...

Giving Muzzin 6 million per at age 31 for 6 years or so would be stupid. No chance Dubas does that.
- RogerRoeper

If I could do it all over again, I wouldn't do the Muzzin deal.

Hopefully Dubas can find a sucker to take on Nylander before everyone really finds out how gutless his play is. We're in for another disappointing season if he's still on the roster come the playoffs. He hasn't shown any heart and willingness to do what it takes to win, unless you count putting the puck in your own net. He's done that.
- JDub76

soft and no heart.. yawn

such a lazy narrative

If I could do it all over again, I wouldn't do the Muzzin deal.
- Atomic Wedgie

Well why the faq did you do it in the first place?

All of this would be great to see, but individual achievements won't mean a thing if they can't keep the puck out of their net. There is a reason Babcock doesn't put Willy on Matthews line. His defensive game isn't ready yet. So sure it would be great to see 50 from Matthews and 75 points from Nylander, but with a very offensive defence core, and no Dermott for 2 months my guess is Nylander plays lower down the lineup with players that are better defensively.
- aminnes

Er. Matthews and Nylander played together when our defense consisted of younger versions of:

Rielly, Gardiner, Polak, Carrick, Zaitsev and Hainsey one year or
Rielly, Gardiner, Marincin, Hunwick, Carrick, and Zaitsev the other.

I don't think this team is defensively any worse than those line-ups. It's just not as good as it will be when both Dermott and Hyman return to the line-up.

If I could do it all over again, I wouldn't do the Muzzin deal.
- Atomic Wedgie

Then we could have kept Marleau and had 2 1st round draft picks.

If I could do it all over again, I wouldn't do the Muzzin deal.
- Atomic Wedgie

Really? I really like Muzzin.

Going into 2020-21

Matthews - 11.6
Tavares - 11
Nylander - 6.9
Kerfoot - 3.5
Johnsson - 3.4
Kapanen - 3.2
Hymen - 2.250
Moore - .775
Petan - .775
Agostino - .7

Reilly - 5

Andersen - 5

54.1

Projected cap 83
Space - 28.9

Spots to fill
2 forwards
6 defense

Obviously not included is Marner because we don’t know what he will be getting paid, but if we look at Barrie asking for say, 8. Marner coming in at around 10-11, incredibly challenging to ice a contending defines core with what will be left in cap space.

soft and no heart.. yawn

such a lazy narrative
- senstroll

It’s all we hear theses days

Er. Matthews and Nylander played together when our defense consisted of younger versions of:

Rielly, Gardiner, Polak, Carrick, Zaitsev and Hainsey one year or
Rielly, Gardiner, Marincin, Hunwick, Carrick, and Zaitsev the other.

I don't think this team is defensively any worse than those line-ups. It's just not as good as it will be when both Dermott and Hyman return to the line-up.
- Monkeypunk

Yup. But if Babcock thought it was better for the team I'm sure at some point he would have went back to that last year, but he chose Kaps defensive game over Nylander.

Either way I for one don't give a poop about these guys individual stats other than how it affects their contracts. I care about the team competing for a SC. Currently they are still not there on paper.

Yup. But if Babcock thought it was better for the team I'm sure at some point he would have went back to that last year, but he chose Kaps defensive game over Nylander.

Either way I for one don't give a poop about these guys individual stats other than how it affects their contracts. I care about the team competing for a SC. Currently they are still not there on paper.
- aminnes

Yawn

Yup. But if Babcock thought it was better for the team I'm sure at some point he would have went back to that last year, but he chose Kaps defensive game over Nylander.

Either way I for one don't give a poop about these guys individual stats other than how it affects their contracts. I care about the team competing for a SC. Currently they are still not there on paper.
- aminnes

I agree. The individual stats don't matter. Maximizing the play does. I don't think Matthews works well with Kapanen. Kap is a shoot-first guy, and he's not particularly good at passing. If you're playing with Matthews, you have to be able to spot him, and also be able to shoot. I think Nylander is a great weapon there, because he has a great snapshot (that hopefully this year hits the f'n target), which means that he is a threat to both pass and shoot. I think the weakness in this line is that Johnsson is a good player, but he's not a great mucker.

Kap's best weapon is his speed. Kerfoot being a pass-first kind of player, might work well to spring him.

Oh god. LOL. GMs would line up for Willy right now.
- RogerRoeper

exactly!! When he lays another egg to start off the season, then there would be a negative value for him. We'd have to sweeten the deal just to offload his cap hit.

exactly!! When he lays another egg to start off the season, then there would be a negative value for him. We'd have to sweeten the deal just to offload his cap hit.
- JDub76

Can I have your crystal ball?

I prefer to use statistics to figure these things out but you seem to have a way to look into the future.

Oh he did not, he coughed it up to the Bruin so he could put it in the Leafs net.
- bobbyisno1

But did he get to keep the silver platter he laid it on?

Going into 2020-21

Matthews - 11.6
Tavares - 11
Nylander - 6.9
Kerfoot - 3.5
Johnsson - 3.4
Kapanen - 3.2
Hymen - 2.250
Moore - .775
Petan - .775
Agostino - .7

Reilly - 5

Andersen - 5

54.1

Projected cap 83
Space - 28.9

Spots to fill
2 forwards
6 defense

Obviously not included is Marner because we don’t know what he will be getting paid, but if we look at Barrie asking for say, 8. Marner coming in at around 10-11, incredibly challenging to ice a contending defines core with what will be left in cap space.
- aminnes

Let's play the game. Marner $10m. Leaves $18m.

2 forwards are $1.5m. Leaves 16.5m.

Dermott $3m. Leaves $13.5m
Liljegren & Sandin $1.75m. Leaves $11.75m.
Resign Harpur? $1m. Leaves $10.75m.

. . . there's wiggle room, but the real questions are what term would Barrie or Muzzin want. Because I don't think the Leafs would give Barrie 8 years or Muzzin more than 3.

exactly!! When he lays another egg to start off the season, then there would be a negative value for him. We'd have to sweeten the deal just to offload his cap hit.
- JDub76

What? a 22 year old with 2 60 point seasons under his belt.. The Leafs would have to sweeten the pot?