I didn't even see that - what a franking weird way to structure a contract.

Kinda makes sense in that it gives him a lot of power in his final year - but wow, it really looks like the Sharks are going for it now, and plan to trade him to the Leafs for the final year of his contract!
- Atomic Wedgie

Yeah, they definitely wanted to keep his AAV down and reward him on the tail end of that contract. I'm betting that his camp sees this as a 5 year contract, with the 5th being the year he takes the qualifying offer. It makes it a much more rich contract and actually makes a lot of sense for both sides considering where they're at.

my only *, is that he gets to play pretty much fulltime with the best C in the League (imo) and the rat guy that it basically a top 5 winger
- senstroll

He's played with Krejci and DeBrusk and has done just fine. He's not a passenger at all. It definitely doesn't hurt though!

To be fair, didn't Willie have a season with Matthews?

75 would be on the higher end for sure.
I can see, him hitting 65-70 points this year.
So at 23 years old, to have that productivity, his contract begins very,VERY good.
- Sandro

I think your parameters are pretty good. I see the 75, but who knows?

I thought that last year, once he found his game, he was skating and moving the puck well, but he couldn't hit the net or score for the life of him.

If you extrapolate his performance last year, considering for expected goals, it probably should have been closer to 11g / 21a @ 5v5 play, with probably another 10 points on the Power Play. . Or about a 42 point season in 54 games, where at least a dozen of those games he was beyond sub-par.

That could have paced him ahead of his previous totals to 65 points. If you give him a full training camp, a chip on his shoulder, and not Connor Brown and Patrick Marleau, I think he'll impress most people.

kapanen's career points < nylander's career high season
- Tumbleweed

Let Kappanen play a full season in the top 6 and see if he doesn't match or surpass Nylander's season high.

I'm pretty sure Nylander will earn his pay cheque.
Kessels first 4 years - 50.82 points per 82 games
Nylanders first 4 years - 55.58 points per 82 games

Similar type players...both play(ed) with superstars...
Both do not like the dirty areas...

Seems to be a pretty good comparison
- budsfan5

you failed to mention that you can't win a cup with Kessel, so therefor you cant win one with Nylander

It's a team game. Sometimes it takes years and some luck to get there. Should the Leafs have kept Bozak cause he won with St.Louis and tossed aside Matthew's and Tavares? Let's not be silly. Should the Caps have given up on Ovie cause he didn't win them a cup in his first few seasons?
- systemtool

Yeah exacty. It's a team game. The leafs won;t win if they only have four players taking the entire cap. Ovechikin makes 9.5. Oshie 5.7 , Kuznetzov 7.8 It lets you build a team around them. Leafs let Bozak go presumably to keep Kadri. Now Kadri is gone too. St Louis' highest paid player is making 7.5. So comparatively I guess Nylander would be their best player?

Yeah exact. It's a team game. The leafs won;t win if they only have four players taking the entire cap. Ovechikin makes 9.5. Oshie 5.7 , Kuznetzov 7.8 It lets you build a team around them. Leafs let Bozak go presumably to keep Kadri. Now Kadri is gone too. St Louis' highest paid player is making 7.5. So comparatively I guess Nylander would be their best player?
- B-Wforever

Do you know when Ovi, Bakcstrom, Oshie, ect signed their contracts? Do you understand how the cap works? It goes up.

Yeah exact. It's a team game. The leafs won;t win if they only have four players taking the entire cap. Ovechikin makes 9.5. Oshie 5.7 , Kuznetzov 7.8 It lets you build a team around them. Leafs let Bozak go presumably to keep Kadri. Now Kadri is gone too. St Louis' highest paid player is making 7.5. So comparatively I guess Nylander would be their best player?
- B-Wforever

Ovechkin signed his contract 11 years ago, when 9.5 million was 21.59% of the cap. No ones contract in the league at the moment even comes close.

I'm interested to see the PP look this year without Kadri.

Matthews-Tavares-Marner
Rielly-Barrie

Kapanen-Kerfoot-Johnsson
Muzzin?Dermott?Ceci?Spezza?-Nylander
- AdamFrench

It's Babcock you're talking about and he loves using 4 forwards...

Matthews-Tavares-Spezza(taking Kadri's spot)
Rielly-Marner

and

Kapanen-Kerfoot-Johnsson
Nylander-Barrie


I wouldn't be surprised... I dont necessarily agree but that's how I see it right now

edit: wait. don't we have a new PP coach? Hmmmm!... might be a good thing.

I think your parameters are pretty good. I see the 75, but who knows?

I thought that last year, once he found his game, he was skating and moving the puck well, but he couldn't hit the net or score for the life of him.

If you extrapolate his performance last year, considering for expected goals, it probably should have been closer to 11g / 21a @ 5v5 play, with probably another 10 points on the Power Play. . Or about a 42 point season in 54 games, where at least a dozen of those games he was beyond sub-par.

That could have paced him ahead of his previous totals to 65 points. If you give him a full training camp, a chip on his shoulder, and not Connor Brown and Patrick Marleau, I think he'll impress most people.
- Monkeypunk

i agree with your assessment

Do you know when Ovi, Bakcstrom, Oshie, ect signed their contracts? Do you understand how the cap works? It goes up.
- Santo_44

It almost went down this year. They can only add so many out door games to boost profits. The cap has peaked and will not rise the way it has in the past.

Do you know when Ovi, Bakcstrom, Oshie, ect signed their contracts? Do you understand how the cap works? It goes up.
- Santo_44

Damn you Santorini...you beat me

He's played with Krejci and DeBrusk and has done just fine. He's not a passenger at all. It definitely doesn't hurt though!

To be fair, didn't Willie have a season with Matthews?
- RickJames77

I wouldnt really normally care who he played with, but in this case Bergeron/Marchand are huge GAR players..i am not suggesting Pasta is a slouch in any way.

Ovechkin signed his contract 11 years ago, when 9.5 million was 21.59% of the cap. No ones contract in the league at the moment even comes close.
- RickJames77

and they lost and lost and lost and lost.
Kind of makes my point.

Ovechkin signed his contract 11 years ago, when 9.5 million was 21.59% of the cap. No ones contract in the league at the moment even comes close.
- RickJames77

Some people just refuse to think and use logic

I gaurentee he will let this comment fly by his head and will just move onto another silly discussion.

Edit: Yup I was right

Yeah exacty. It's a team game. The leafs won;t win if they only have four players taking the entire cap. Ovechikin makes 9.5. Oshie 5.7 , Kuznetzov 7.8 It lets you build a team around them. Leafs let Bozak go presumably to keep Kadri. Now Kadri is gone too. St Louis' highest paid player is making 7.5. So comparatively I guess Nylander would be their best player?
- B-Wforever

You cant compare contracts signed in previous years with today. You honestly think Ovie, if he was 22 years old today, and a RFA, wouldn't be seeking as much Matthew's?

St.Louis got lucky and hot at the right time, to go from literally dead last to a championship isnt exactly a model organization. Kudos to them.

You cant compare contracts signed in previous years with today. You honestly think Ovie, if he was 22 years old today, and a RFA, wouldn't be seeking as much Matthew's?
- systemtool

Mcdavid and Matthews both took less than they deserved...It is pretty sweet.

I can't wait for one of these Top level RFAs to say (frank) it I want my money I don't care about the team.

Not me.
- Aetherial

Is it Aardvark?

He's played with Krejci and DeBrusk and has done just fine. He's not a passenger at all. It definitely doesn't hurt though!

To be fair, didn't Willie have a season with Matthews?
- RickJames77

Two

It's Babcock you're talking about and he loves using 4 forwards...

Matthews-Tavares-Spezza(taking Kadri's spot)
Rielly-Marner

and

Kapanen-Kerfoot-Johnsson
Nylander-Barrie


I wouldn't be surprised... I dont necessarily agree but that's how I see it right now

edit: wait. don't we have a new PP coach? Hmmmm!... might be a good thing.
- Delryk

Is it wrong that I don’t hate those combos?

Yeah exacty. It's a team game. The leafs won;t win if they only have four players taking the entire cap. Ovechikin makes 9.5. Oshie 5.7 , Kuznetzov 7.8 It lets you build a team around them. Leafs let Bozak go presumably to keep Kadri. Now Kadri is gone too. St Louis' highest paid player is making 7.5. So comparatively I guess Nylander would be their best player?
- B-Wforever

Dont worry, our cap will be fine. No one is saying theyll win a cup anyway
Lol

Is it wrong that I don’t hate those combos?
- Atomic Wedgie

No.

Ovechkin signed his contract 11 years ago, when 9.5 million was 21.59% of the cap. No ones contract in the league at the moment even comes close.
- RickJames77

While playing a Cap expert on HB i noticed CF does the work for you and puts the cap % in the contract details

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/alex-ovechkin

SIGNING DATE: January 10, 2008 - 16.82%

but ya, Matthews is 14.63%

Is it wrong that I don’t hate those combos?
- Atomic Wedgie

nope. I don't really like them either.. but if Babcock has the last word.. that's how i see it...

Timo Meier was also an RFA, less paid, signed a year later and someone I'd take over Nylander regardless of contract.
- RickJames77

Left out ...."and signed for 2 LESS years".

Very important.