Some over the “loss” of the Russian - more (like me, I think) wondering about the plan.

Gave up a useful 3C (and if necessary a temporary 2C) for an expensive 4th liner who “solved” a minor problem, if it existed.

I think they were ok with Shaw, Kampf, Caggiula, Carpenter on the bottom, with Kubalik, Sikura possibly joining in with Saad and Anisimov on line 3 (or Shaw on line 3 and the other two dropping down).

Smith provides good size, grit, “tough to play against” skill on the bottom now - but no 3C in sight (yeah, Dach...uhh, no). All to save only enough cap space to put a 14+7+2=23 out there to begin the season.

Stan must now do something else.
- StLBravesFan

Kotkaniemi is a perfect example of an 18yr old center with size (he's smaller than Dach by 2" and 10lbs) stepping in a providing quality 3LC play. Montreal was in the playoff picture for much of the year, and does not have nearly the depth that the Hawks have to surround Dach with. I'm not saying he HAS to be the 3C, but it's interesting that 1 day into Prospect Camp after seeing Dach on the ice they trade Anisimov and open up a clear spot for Kirby.....

Exactly. Nobody wanted him with that contract - for free. He still has the contract, so how could one expect to get an asset in return now? I'm sure OTT would've traded him at the TDL last year if they coulda received an asset.

I thought the Hawks wanted three lines that could score, with the third being defensively sound and capable of taking advantage of good matchups. So, the centers is a solid all-around player who can help his line score. I think AA can do that, and the 4th line centers can't.
- mohel

It’s also possible that a team did want him, but couldn’t fit him under their cap.

Thanks for the insight about the 3C. I’m of a similar mindset. One other thing you are assuming is what the Hawks want for the makeup of the team, and the expected deployment. I was an AA fan. I think he provided a lot of what the Hawks want/need (secondary scoring, net presence and solid IQ/positioning. With the cap, you are never going to get everything you want. We can argue until the cows come home about the relative priority of a goalie vs center (I personally feel that getting Lehner was an important move and I was willing to deal with those consequences). It still seems like there is another move of two to come. We shall see.

Then everyone would complain that Stan didn't get Gusev.
- LAHawk

Or we take Marchessault for Murphy and Vegas gets rid of $1,150,000 from their roster?

I wasn't talking about LTIR, just regular IR.

I'm not a capologist. Correct me if I'm wrong. I thought there is something called accumulated cap space that a team can "bank" throughout the season if players go on regular IR. I was looking at this last year on capfriendly when TDL trades were being made wondering how some teams exceeded the 79.5M cap near the end of the season.

Say a player makes 4M a year, which divided by 183 days, the length of the season from early October to early April, equals a bit under $22,000. Say he is injured and replaced on the roster by someone on a ECL making $850K or about $4700 per day.

The difference in salaries is $17,300 per day. If the $4M player is out 21 days the team accumulates $363,000 in daily cap space. Say the team has other injuries during the year and the accumulated daily cap space grows to $500,000.

So Smith at 3.25M = just under $18.000 per day. Say he is acquired at the end of February with 40 days left in the season. Team is taking on 40 x 18000 = $720,000, $500,000 of which is banked. If salary comes back in a trade Smith could be included in a trade.

Yes? No? Or did I waste too many key strokes?
- boilermaker100

Regular IR still counts against the cap. The amount a team is below the cap can be banked. LTIR space cannot be banked.

Hilarious to see the Saint Bowman protectors over the years turning on him like the Knights Watch turning on Jon Snow over Artem (frank)ing Anisimov


EDIT: 7/16/19 will be long known as the Great Mutiny of Stan Bowman by his loyal Hockeybuzz


- EnzoD

I dont think anyone is turning on him

It's this idea that people think Zack Smith is anything good or better than a 4th liner.

Hes slower than AA, and takes a lot of penalties. He wasnt an upgrade in skill. That's all some of us are saying.

I wasn't talking about LTIR, just regular IR.

I'm not a capologist. Correct me if I'm wrong. I thought there is something called accumulated cap space that a team can "bank" throughout the season if players go on regular IR. I was looking at this last year on capfriendly when TDL trades were being made wondering how some teams exceeded the 79.5M cap near the end of the season.

Say a player makes 4M a year, which divided by 183 days, the length of the season from early October to early April, equals a bit under $22,000. Say he is injured and replaced on the roster by someone on a ECL making $850K or about $4700 per day.

The difference in salaries is $17,300 per day. If the $4M player is out 21 days the team accumulates $363,000 in daily cap space. Say the team has other injuries during the year and the accumulated daily cap space grows to $500,000.

So Smith at 3.25M = just under $18.000 per day. Say he is acquired at the end of February with 40 days left in the season. Team is taking on 40 x 18000 = $710,000, $500,000 of which is banked. If salary comes back in a trade Smith could be included in a trade.

Yes? No? Or did I waste too many key strokes?
- boilermaker100

A team can bank cap space during the year, but injuries don't add to this. The easiest way would be to run a 20 man roster.

As for the CBA, the answer to your question is at the bottom of page 103 - Section 16.11.d :

Once a Player is placed on the Injured Reserve List, the Club may replace said
Player on its NHL Active Roster with another Player, and during such period of his designation as an Injured Reserve Player he will not count against the Club's Active Roster limit, provided, however, that the Injured Reserve Player's Player Salary and Bonuses and his replacement's Player Salary and Bonuses are each included in calculating a Club's Actual Club Salary and Averaged Club Salary, and the Players' Share, for purposes of Article 50.

So, putting a player on IR (not LTIR) and calling up another player actually increases the team's cap hit.

I hope this makes sense.

Eakin and Murphy make exactly the same though. Maybe we can throw some others in deal??? Lets get this to work so Ogil is happy.
- BlackhawkMike

I believe there's something cooking to add a top 9 center. That's a good option.

Kotkaniemi is a perfect example of an 18yr old center with size (he's smaller than Dach by 2" and 10lbs) stepping in a providing quality 3LC play. Montreal was in the playoff picture for much of the year, and does not have nearly the depth that the Hawks have to surround Dach with. I'm not saying he HAS to be the 3C, but it's interesting that 1 day into Prospect Camp after seeing Dach on the ice they trade Anisimov and open up a clear spot for Kirby.....
- EnzoD

Hey Enzo, I think the timing is purely coincidental. They aren’t making that call off of one day at prospect camp.

I’ll be happy as a clam if he can break the lineup for the year, but each situation is different. MTL had average at best centers. kotkaniemi played decent. It will be fun to watch Dach in the preseason.

It is interesting to look back and what lineup we opened with last year too.

DeBrincat - Toews - Kahun
Saad - Schmaltz - Kane
Kunitz - AA - Kampf
Martinsen - Johnson - Kruger

Keith - Joki
Manning - Seabrook
Gus - Rutta

Ward
Forsberg

Injured - CC, Murphy, Forsberg
Scratched - Hayden, Davidson
- breadbag

Wow, 15 of those guys are gone now. The current roster is considerably better than that group.

you misunderstand me. Myself and others were blasted for years when criticizing the blatant and egregious mistakes and missteps by Stan Bowman from 2015-2018. It is quite ironic that those same people are now the ones crying about trading Anisimov. Opinions and dissent are what makes a blog interesting. Feel free to voice your opinion, I disagree with you on this one, but I will not question your fandom for doing so...as has been done to me countless times.
- EnzoD

Cool. Do you believe they need to add a center?

I believe there's something cooking to add a top 9 center. That's a good option.
- mohel

Karlsson does make more money than Smith😉

Kotkaniemi is a perfect example of an 18yr old center with size (he's smaller than Dach by 2" and 10lbs) stepping in a providing quality 3LC play. Montreal was in the playoff picture for much of the year, and does not have nearly the depth that the Hawks have to surround Dach with. I'm not saying he HAS to be the 3C, but it's interesting that 1 day into Prospect Camp after seeing Dach on the ice they trade Anisimov and open up a clear spot for Kirby.....
- EnzoD

Would that be best for Dach and his long term success - and the team’s? Winning the 3C spot does NOT mean he should be here in October rather than developing in juniors for another year.

And if they moved Anisimov out after seeing Dach for one day against other young and inexperienced prospects...😲

Hey Enzo, I think the timing is purely coincidental. They aren’t making that call off of one day at prospect camp.

I’ll be happy as a clam if he can break the lineup for the year, but each situation is different. MTL had average at best centers. kotkaniemi played decent. It will be fun to watch Dach in the preseason.
- Chunk

2010 was also Patrick Sharp playing center quite a bit who always knew how to play defense.
- rpeters01

Love Sharpie, the point still is needing a great 2nd line center
is over rated.

Boy that 2010 team was stacked and fun to watch, I believe
that team to be the best of the 3 cup winners also.

Cool. Do you believe they need to add a center?
- mohel

Depends on their plans for Dach?

It’s also possible that a team did want him, but couldn’t fit him under their cap.

Thanks for the insight about the 3C. I’m of a similar mindset. One other thing you are assuming is what the Hawks want for the makeup of the team, and the expected deployment. I was an AA fan. I think he provided a lot of what the Hawks want/need (secondary scoring, net presence and solid IQ/positioning. With the cap, you are never going to get everything you want. We can argue until the cows come home about the relative priority of a goalie vs center (I personally feel that getting Lehner was an important move and I was willing to deal with those consequences). It still seems like there is another move of two to come. We shall see.
- Chunk

Yep, we shall see. Stan did say that they wanted more than 4 centers. Right now they have Toews, Strome, Kampf. Smith says he's probably best as a wing taking faceoffs. Carpenter can play center, but is generally a wing. Three real centers is problem. So, I think he's not done.

Cool. Do you believe they need to add a center?
- mohel

I believe that a line where Shaw and Smith alternate taking draws on their strong side would be a Pain in the ass to play against. Also, if I'm making a bet, I'd bet on Dach being the 3C for opening night between Saad and Shaw.


??-Toews-Kane
Debrincat-Strome-??
Saad-Dach-Shaw
Smith-Kampf-Carpenter


?? Battling for spots : Perlini?, Kubalik, Sikura, Nylander, Caggiulla

Hilarious to see the Saint Bowman protectors over the years turning on him like the Knights Watch turning on Jon Snow over Artem (frank)ing Anisimov


EDIT: 7/16/19 will be long known as the Great Mutiny of Stan Bowman by his loyal Hockeybuzz defenders!!!



- EnzoD

The stats show he’s just as good as Smith defensively, better than Smith offensively, takes fewer penalties, better drives possession...he’s just a better player period. There’s really no argument. The only thing Smith is better at are two of the most meaningless stats in hockey. Hits, which just means he’s chasing the puck a lot, and face off wins which statistical analysts have proven to be virtually irrelevant.
- Ogilthorpe2

Well, there is an argument and it has been posted by multiple posters multiple times - you just don't agree with it. I didn't necessarily want AA run out of town and I appreciated his game, but I think he is very replaceable and the $1.3M cap savings is enough for me to like the trade. That we got a serviceable player back tips the needle into the "like" category.

I wasn't talking about LTIR, just regular IR.

I'm not a capologist. Correct me if I'm wrong. I thought there is something called accumulated cap space that a team can "bank" throughout the season if players go on regular IR. I was looking at this last year on capfriendly when TDL trades were being made wondering how some teams exceeded the 79.5M cap near the end of the season.

Say a player makes 4M a year, which divided by 183 days, the length of the season from early October to early April, equals a bit under $22,000. Say he is injured and replaced on the roster by someone on a ECL making $850K or about $4700 per day.

The difference in salaries is $17,300 per day. If the $4M player is out 21 days the team accumulates $363,000 in daily cap space. Say the team has other injuries during the year and the accumulated daily cap space grows to $500,000.

So Smith at 3.25M = just under $18.000 per day. Say he is acquired at the end of February with 40 days left in the season. Team is taking on 40 x 18000 = $720,000, $500,000 of which is banked. If salary comes back in a trade Smith could be included in a trade.

Yes? No? Or did I waste too many key strokes?
- boilermaker100

IR players don’t get replaced, they stay on the roster. So calling up a player adds to the cap hit and the daily savings are reduced, not increased.

Love Sharpie, the point still is needing a great 2nd line center
is over rated.

Boy that 2010 team was stacked and fun to watch, I believe
that team to be the best of the 3 cup winners also.
- gazza53

I don't remember the players but somebody took a cheap shot at a Hawk in the playoffs and Byufleign annilated them.

Didn't the hawks win in 2013 with a rookie center named Andrew Shaw? Why is everyone so against a rookie being a 3C.. It might not be Dach, maybe it will be Kurashev, supposedly he is looking very good in camp, and they were impressed with his games he played at the end of the season with Rockford.

Ok, why did cap money have to be moved? Anyone? Yep, because Stan put $11M into the goalie position. That cost him a 3rd line center. Hopefully he gets another top 9 center before the season.
- mohel

Would you rather have Delia and Anisimov or Lehner and Smith?

I don't remember the players but somebody took a cheap shot at a Hawk in the playoffs and Byufleign annilated them.
- rpeters01

Bieksa, it was beautiful

Trade I am wondering if people would make:

C Eakin (LV) $3,850,000

for

D Murphy (CHI) $3,850,000

Discuss, this will get us that center Ogil and then you may be happy?
- BlackhawkMike

Not without a plan to back-fill Murphy.