It's what he hasn't done - he hasn't shown himself to be an inconsistent, uncoachable slug who looks purdy while skating.
- mohel

Yeah - let’s just give up on a 23 year old with evident skill and potential. We have so many possible top-6 forwards in the system.

Another example of moving a young skater to the Show way too early. Strome turned around - maybe Perlini, too.

Yeah - let’s just give up on a 23 year old with evident skill and potential. We have so many possible top-6 forwards in the system.

Another example of moving a young skater to the Show way too early. Strome turned around - maybe Perlini, too.
- StLBravesFan

There was a 2 week stretch where Perlini was, arguably, the most dominant forward on the ice (for either team).

Experienced newcomers, not old, I think.

Smith is the only acquisition over 28 - and they swapped a 31 year for him.
- StLBravesFan

Maybe he's going to do the samething he's going to do with the 4th line

Kampf and Carpenter taking draws on their strong side

Shaw and Smith?

Looks to me like he’s building an old team that is gonna play short handed a lot. Hope the PK really improves a lot.
- Ogilthorpe2

By old, if you mean that Smith is 31, so was Anisimov. I will confess to initially wondering during the late afternoon yesterday if Stan realized he was getting the 2019 version, not the 2016 version, but I still think he adds that grit that we need in the bottom six.

Shaw and Carpenter are/will be 28.

Nonsense is last week we were begging Stan to trade AA with sweeteners, he gets it done without a sweetener and we're still complaining. Reminds me of my grandmother.
- rpeters01

Nonsense is that everyone was begging him to trade AA with sweeteners. Plenty of posters thought that was a bad idea. Those posters still do, at least until a legitimate 3C shows up.

I'm going to beat this dead horse one last time.

If shaw and Smith were on the team last year they would have been the 2 most penalized players on the team. The only player that's close is Keith. In fact, those two would have almost the same number of penalty minutes as all of the blackhawk forwards combined. I know the PK should be better next year, but mostly cause it cant get worse. Will it be good enough to make up for 1+ additional penalties every game?
I know, I know... grit

Alright, I'll stop now

And a few Day 2 prospect camp observations:

- Dach is really strong on his skates and can make plays with someone else draped on him. He won't be hulking like Byfuglien dragging around half the other team around him but he's showing he can be dominant driving to and parking in the crease. Overall a very good skater with tight pivots and edges.
- Someone else noticed this in an earlier post but Nylander's compete level on defense is lacking as he coasts and gives up on plays.
- In a 2-on-2 drill where Nylander and Hagel were linemates, Nylander's drive to obtain the puck was noticably less than Hagel's who engaged in board battles and played aggressive to get the puck back.
- The D-men participated in a drill where they took shots from one far side of the blueline then walked the line to take a shot from the other side. Beaudin's skating was silky smooth while Vlasic's was more utilitarian (not ugly but not graceful or effortless either).
- Boqvist on defense lets guys get behind him and can sometimes miss assignments. If he's going to show any semblance of defensive awareness, these aspects of defending need to improve dramatically at the pro level.
- Gravel sat out Day 1 due to not being medically cleared but participated in Day 2. Not sure what the medical reason yesterday and/or leading in to camp.
- AEL_Fox

Great to see he’s really jumped all over his new opportunity to impress his new team mates and coaches!

Yeah - let’s just give up on a 23 year old with evident skill and potential. We have so many possible top-6 forwards in the system.

Another example of moving a young skater to the Show way too early. Strome turned around - maybe Perlini, too.
- StLBravesFan

I didn't say to give up on him. I answered the difference between Perlini and Kub. Paying him on potential is a bad idea, imo, given that he's not earned it yet.

There was a 2 week stretch where Perlini was, arguably, the most dominant forward on the ice (for either team).
- EnzoD

Give him $3M for 3 years.

I'm going to beat this dead horse one last time.

If shaw and Smith were on the team last year they would have been the 2 most penalized players on the team. The only player that's close is Keith. In fact, those two would have almost the same number of penalty minutes as all of the blackhawk forwards combined. I know the PK should be better next year, but mostly cause it cant get worse. Will it be good enough to make up for 1+ additional penalties every game?
I know, I know... grit

Alright, I'll stop now
- BMoreHawks

Well sometimes defensive effort/board battle engagement leads to sometimes taking a penalty. Better than no effort and letting the opposition walk uncontested coming away from the boards or wide open down the middle.

Nonsense is that everyone was begging him to trade AA with sweeteners. Plenty of posters thought that was a bad idea. Those posters still do, at least until a legitimate 3C shows up.
- mohel

Reality was cap money needed to go, no getting around it. Nobody is going to trade a "cheap" good player for your expensive player. That's a unicorn.

Yep, it would take a sweetener (added asset with him, retained salary or taking a bad contract in return).
- mohel

Let's say things don't pan out for the Hawks this year and they are out of contention at the TDL. But Gus is having a great year and 3-4 teams come a calling for him. Stan says if you want him that bad, you have to take Smith too, at the same return Gus would have gotten.

Let's say things don't pan out for the Hawks this year and they are out of contention at the TDL. But Gus is having a great year and 3-4 teams come a calling for him. Stan says if you want him that bad, you have to take Smith too, at the same return Gus would have gotten.
- boilermaker100

That makes sense but only possible if the team has cap space, highly not possible.

Well sometimes defensive effort/board battle engagement leads to sometimes taking a penalty. Better than no effort and letting the opposition walk uncontested coming away from the boards or wide open down the middle.
- LAHawk

And then there’s guys like AA who are equally good in their own end, but somehow end up committing fewer infractions.

So after digesting the Arty trade, I see this trade as a wash. What keeps me incredibly optimistic is that if you look at the 3 Cups in 10-13-15, the Hawks had a two 3rd lines. Yes, one was the 3rd and one was the 4th, but they both were made up of third line players. This team has a lot of the same. Guys like Smith and Carpenter down the middle are solid defensively and play with a level of grit that is needed in those taxing playoff series.

No team in the Central has a possible bottom 6 like this:

Saad-Smith- Shaw
Kampf-Carpenter-Cagguila

That is alot of grind and skill in your bottom 6

Let's say things don't pan out for the Hawks this year and they are out of contention at the TDL. But Gus is having a great year and 3-4 teams come a calling for him. Stan says if you want him that bad, you have to take Smith too, at the same return Gus would have gotten.
- boilermaker100

I think if the Hawks are out of it this year by the TDL, Stan (or whoever is GM) is going to have a fire sale

Reality was cap money needed to go, no getting around it. Nobody is going to trade a "cheap" good player for your expensive player. That's a unicorn.
- rpeters01

Reality is, that is the worst part about this trade...he didn’t gain enough cap space to justify the downgrade in ability.

And then there’s guys like AA who are equally good in their own end, but somehow end up committing fewer infractions.
- Ogilthorpe2

I don't dispute that, I was only commenting on the part of how do the Hawks kill off more penalties/improve the defense. You must admit that has been a serious TEAM deficiency the last few years, winning board battles and defensive effort

I didn't say to give up on him. I answered the difference between Perlini and Kub. Paying him on potential is a bad idea, imo, given that he's not earned it yet.
- mohel

Yes.

If he wants $2MM - no, see ya, cut the cord, let him sit until 11/30.

$1.5MM? Unfortunately, seems to be in the market range for someone with good potential and a couple of years experience.

Reality was cap money needed to go, no getting around it. Nobody is going to trade a "cheap" good player for your expensive player. That's a unicorn.
- rpeters01

100% and the Hawks found someone who is just as useful and a better fit for the team for less cost. He has a different skill set but fits the role they need much better.

Reality was cap money needed to go, no getting around it. Nobody is going to trade a "cheap" good player for your expensive player. That's a unicorn.
- rpeters01

As I said, plenty of posters took this position prior to the trade. You forgot that above. Reminds me of my grandfather...

About the unicorn....what is spending $5M on a backup goalie in order to protect against an injury to Crow, and then having to dump the only center who could possibly step in as a top 6 center if Toews or Strome get hurt?

This board spent years barking at Stan for not being strong down the middle. Now he weakens the middle and the board loves it. Reminds me of....this board.

That makes sense but only possible if the team has cap space, highly not possible.
- rpeters01

I wouldn't say highly not possible. Gus and Smith are at a combined 4.5M. Teams can accumulate cap space during the year by having players on IR and a salary may be coming back in the trade.

Let's say things don't pan out for the Hawks this year and they are out of contention at the TDL. But Gus is having a great year and 3-4 teams come a calling for him. Stan says if you want him that bad, you have to take Smith too, at the same return Gus would have gotten.
- boilermaker100

Usually buyers at the TDL don't have the cap space to do that.

Why he was waived is irrelevant. He was waived. Nobody wanted him with that contract. Unless he gets better at 31 why would they be able to trade him without a sweetener? Who is paying $3M+ for a 4th line wing?
- mohel

Why is it irrelevant? I don’t know all of the back story here, but if one of the main reasons he was waived was due to the financial situation of the team that is significant.

By no means am I equating the moves, but so you think the Oilers WANTED to trade Gretzky? The owner needed money.

To your second point, the Hawks just made a trade for the guy, and there are other teams in the league that would make similar moves for similar reasons. You are right there are limited options to move him, but there will be options.

Krys has been somewhat of the forgotten defensive prospect behind Boqvist, Mitchell and Beaudin. It would be funny (and great) if Krys somehow emerged as the best D prospect of the bunch.
- DarthKane

Krys emerging as an eventual starter on the Blackhawks blueline is entirely possible. He has a great toolkit of skills, excellent skating, and willingness to develop areas of weakness.

When we talk about the 4 Horsemen, it's not out of the question that he could deserve to be in that conversation and even supplant one of the others who are in that exclusive group, i.e. Boqvist, Beaudin, Mitchell, Vlasic, and formerly Jokiharju.