Doesn’t. Matter. Flyers. Suck.
- Feds91Stammer

okay, great.

Anyway, anyone wanna make a guess?

okay, great.

Anyway, anyone wanna make a guess?
- jmatchett383

I had to look it up, I was 2 off.

I had to look it up, I was 2 off.
- burgh4life87

Yes, 2 of them are a bit easy to forget since their best days were with other teams.

Yes, 2 of them are a bit easy to forget since their best days were with other teams.
- jmatchett383

Larry Murphy and Ron Francis?

Question: Without looking it up, how many members of the 90/91 Penguins are in the HHOF, and who are they?
- jmatchett383

Lemieux
Coffey
Francis
Mullen (Can't remember if he's HHOF or just USHHOF)
Murphy
Trottier

EDIT:

Forgot Recchi and Craig Patrick/Bob Johnson

Double Edit - Scotty Bowman was there too

Larry Murphy and Ron Francis?
- Feds91Stammer

Murphy was one. Mullen was actually the other. For the life of me I couldn't remember.

Question: Without looking it up, how many members of the 90/91 Penguins are in the HHOF, and who are they?
- jmatchett383

Think it's at 7. Lemieux, Francis, Trottier, Mullen, Recchi, Coffey, Murphy. Jagr will make it 8 eventually.

Larry Murphy and Ron Francis?
- Feds91Stammer

Trottier and Coffey were the 2 I was thinking of.

So allegedly someone for the Athletic is saying the Penguins want a longer term deal with Petterson... and could be in the 3-4 mil a year range.

If he is a 2nd pairing Dman, that's great... if not, its another overpaid bottom pairing. But could this signal even more that JJ may be moved?
- Guile

I've seen that a lot to. He makes sense as a partner for Schultz: more of a defensive defenseman who can skate and move the puck similar to Dumoulin. Also had great WOWY stats for guy like Malkin and Kessel.

Key line in Yohe's Athletic piece today was that JJ is the guy they'd prefer to move. Good to hear the most connected reporter to the team say that. They have more confidence in Riikola then we do. I do think the eventual plan is POJ on the third pair, Tocchet said Rutherford specifically targeted him.

I've seen that a lot to. He makes sense as a partner for Schultz: more of a defensive defenseman who can skate and move the puck similar to Dumoulin. Also had great WOWY stats for guy like Malkin and Kessel.

Key line in Yohe's Athletic piece today was that JJ is the guy they'd prefer to move. Good to hear the most connected reporter to the team say that. They have more confidence in Riikola then we do. I do think the eventual plan is POJ on the third pair, Tocchet said Rutherford specifically targeted him.
- Tojo.

Then the idea/plan is good to hear... I just hope JR doesnt get too caught up on the price for dealing JJ and just does it.

I've seen that a lot to. He makes sense as a partner for Schultz: more of a defensive defenseman who can skate and move the puck similar to Dumoulin. Also had great WOWY stats for guy like Malkin and Kessel.

Key line in Yohe's Athletic piece today was that JJ is the guy they'd prefer to move. Good to hear the most connected reporter to the team say that. They have more confidence in Riikola then we do. I do think the eventual plan is POJ on the third pair, Tocchet said Rutherford specifically targeted him.
- Tojo.

JJ is, sadly, a better player than Rikola right now. However, due to the cap and the term, Rikola has much more value (i.e. not negative) than JJ.

Trottier and Coffey were the 2 I was thinking of.
- jmatchett383

Ahh well I’m not that old or a pens fan.

Per the actual blog, you have to love the depth the Pens have at forward right now. I'd still love it even if Rust is traded, I want to see Kahun on the top line (it will happen eventually).

Bottom 6 was caved in prior to Bjugstad, McCann, and Gudbranson arriving. Replacing Cullen and Wilson with Kahun and Tanev is a big bump. Cullen was definitely the one who held that line back, so swapping him for Blueger and improving at wing is big.

JJ is, sadly, a better player than Rikola right now. However, due to the cap and the term, Rikola has much more value (i.e. not negative) than JJ.
- jmatchett383

I don’t know that this is true. While I haven’t dug super deep in the fancy stats, they seem about equally bad defensively, but Riikola seems to be better at exits/entries.

Just from the eye test Riikola is a better skater and carries the puck MUCH better than JJ, but gets out of position equally as bad as JJ.

JJ is, sadly, a better player than Rikola right now. However, due to the cap and the term, Rikola has much more value (i.e. not negative) than JJ.
- jmatchett383

I think Riikola takes a step up. He was a rookie playing on his off-side with a lot of guys not playing well. I'm only hoping for something close to replacement level, but that would beat JJ. I just see him a a placeholder though, not a long-term fit.

I think Riikola takes a step up. He was a rookie playing on his off-side with a lot of guys not playing well. I'm only hoping for something close to replacement level, but that would beat JJ. I just see him a a placeholder though, not a long-term fit.
- Tojo.

I see a lot of Trevor Daley in Riikola’s style. Daley was never great in his own end.

Let’s see perry kesler Henrique and Fowler contracts.

Theodore to vgk for nothing. A 1st for eaves. Giving away palmieri.
- Feds91Stammer

Ducks post. The Ducks have averaged 44 wins a season with GMBM which excludes the lockout shortened season which was a 51 win pace. That’s not a bad track record at all for a team that doesn’t have crazy deep pockets

Perry had .94PPG over his prior 3 seasons before his extension and he was 28 at the time and had 43 goals the following season. He was seen as elite at the time.

Henrique had 50 points when he signed his extension. The third time in his career he hit the mark with 3 others at 40+. He’s still only 28 and has plenty of tread on the tires. Anyone who is looking at last years injury plagued Ducks and stapling that one year as a basis for their entire careers is stupid. Same goes for any other team that is injury stricken the entire year

Kesler had an amazing playoff run with 13 points in 16 games shutting down the opposition. He followed that up with 53 and 58 point seasons before injuries hit. His most common linemates at that time? Cogliano, Silfverberg, Hagelin... he was carrying his line. He sees the highest QoC of anyone on that team

Fowler is tough to gauge.. he’s carried Bieksa and Beauchemin for long stretches. I wouldn’t call his cap hit terrible. It’s not Seabrook level or JJ. He contributes

It was a conditional 2nd for Eaves who paced 56 points and was a natural fit before getting sick/hurt. Is that not worth a second??

He got a 1st and a 2nd for Freddy’s rights keeping his star goalie Gibson. He bought low on Hagelin and Perron. Palmieri hasn’t hit 20 goals and had only hit the 40 point pace twice in Anaheim. He was playing with Beleskey, Kesler, Getzlaf, and Perry. He had a poor showing the in playoffs with 4 points in 16 games so instead of ponying up they sent his rights for a 2nd and a 3rd. Is that bad? The reason they gave up Theodore was because Vegas wanted their other D. The rumor I recall is that they wanted Manson

He’s had good and not so great moves. Not a lot that’s stellar and the only firable offense imo is bringing back Carlyle

okay, great.

Anyway, anyone wanna make a guess?
- jmatchett383

One day Jagr will make it 8. We didn't even realize how great some of those guys would be. All the top 3 lines had future HOFs at center AND right wing 😍

One day Jagr will make it 8. We didn't even realize how great some of those guys would be. All the top 3 lines had future HOFs at center AND right wing 😍
- Tojo.

Plus Larry Murphy on defense along with a still-productive Coffey. Ulf was good when he wasn't trying to end people's careers. Barrasso was good enough in goal. Seven, soon to be 8, HHOF players is tough to beat.

So I think the Oilers blogger is trying to dethrone RW for most abusive blog towards upper management. Poor poor poor Josh Archibald caught in the middle just trying to live the dream and make a buck.

So I think the Oilers blogger is trying to dethrone RW for most abusive blog towards upper management. Poor poor poor Josh Archibald caught in the middle just trying to live the dream and make a buck.
- Reverend Killtaker

New-school millennial hot takes:

"This player is not a superstar therefore he is irrelevant!"

I don’t know that this is true. While I haven’t dug super deep in the fancy stats, they seem about equally bad defensively, but Riikola seems to be better at exits/entries.

Just from the eye test Riikola is a better skater and carries the puck MUCH better than JJ, but gets out of position equally as bad as JJ.
- Rinosaur

Riikola has some of the worst gap control I have ever seen. It was not difficult to get a shot off when he was covering you. But that seems coachable. He has very good skating ability and an attitude. He could absolutely be coached into an above average bottom pairing player.

Riikola has some of the worst gap control I have ever seen. It was not difficult to get a shot off when he was covering you. But that seems coachable. He has very good skating ability and an attitude. He could absolutely be coached into an above average bottom pairing player.
- burgh4life87

Riikola came form Europe and had almost no development to NA hockey. While he is old for that "improvement" age range, I believe he easily can fix those missteps after his time in the AHL.

I don’t know that this is true. While I haven’t dug super deep in the fancy stats, they seem about equally bad defensively, but Riikola seems to be better at exits/entries.

Just from the eye test Riikola is a better skater and carries the puck MUCH better than JJ, but gets out of position equally as bad as JJ.
- Rinosaur

Someone posted the #fancies about a week ago to show that JMFJ was better than Rikola last season. Not sure of the samples sizes.

It's not
- burgh4life87

ZAR is not included, we trade him for a pick and Petts signs for a reasonable number and that line-up could fit under the cap. Trotman is on a 2-way and will likely go down - not sure why CapFriendly.com has him included in the cap hit. But that only leaves $1.5M for Petts contract - not sure if that's gonna happen.