Federov was better than Yzerman for sure lol

edit: on second thought looking at their stats, nope. I was wrong.
- j.boyd919

But according to Feds Yzerman > Fedorov > Lemieux.

I wonder where Crosby, Jagr, Malkin and Francis are rated for him. I bet he says Datsyuk and Zetterberg are better than all of them.

Pens miss the playoffs. You heard it here first folks.
- Feds91Stammer

Yeah.....that ain't happening.

Yeah.....that ain't happening.
- madmike71

Mind games...mind games

Now that our core is aging I think we can refer to the word rebuild as the ‘R word’

How bout that steal of a Guentzel contract
- WSCTeton17

The good contracts don't count, Only the bad ones

Only talk about the bad ones, incessantly, in every post you make, and pretend the Pens are the ONLY team in the league with a bad contract

That's the rules to go by here

Their depth is weak, center depth is even weaker. Their defense isn't even that great.
- burgh4life87

The thing I like about the Rangers is they have a loaded system a well. And by like I mean they make me nervous. Point taken about no proven 2C though.

I don’t get the hype around the Canes. They’re likely going to be worse in net and on D and are they really that much better up front over last season?

TT-Aho-El Nino
Williams-Staal-Svechnikov
Haula-Necas-Dzingel
McGinn-Wallmark-Foegele

I’m not saying they’re going to be bad but I have reservations about how good the team will be overall
- WSCTeton17

Full seasons from Staal and Nino. Svechnikov and maybe even Aho can continue to improve. They still have their top 4 on D an have the prospects to replace DeHaan. I like Dzingel with them, they've struggled to find scorers to finish off possession.

I agree on not being sold on Mrazek, but I think the team is here to stay.

The good contracts don't count, Only the bad ones

Only talk about the bad ones, incessantly, in every post you make, and pretend the Pens are the ONLY team in the league with a bad contract

That's the rules to go by here
- RoloTahmasee

You read the Athletic article I posted about a few pages back. It pretty much said what you are, that even with some bad contracts, the good ones outweighed them. Dom, one of their resident analytics experts, ranked them seventh in overall value on their non ELC or goalie contracts, and that's before Pettersson signs.

The thing I like about the Rangers is they have a loaded system a well. And by like I mean they make me nervous. Point taken about no proven 2C though.
- Tojo.

I think the Rangers will have an improved season from last year by having more offensive weapons in Panarin and Kakko, but still finish either last or next to last in the division.

Poor center depth unless Howden or Chytil take a big step, or if they somehow make a trade before then. Also, while Trouba improves their defense, having Smith and Staal is not ideal. While Shatty may help offensively, he's pretty terrible defensively.

Yeah.....that ain't happening.
- madmike71

Ideally, Geno has a more dominant year, Murray picks up where he left off and the Pens don't have a revolving injury door; if that happens I fully believe they could finish first. I don't however think the playoffs are a lock.

Realistically? I think the Pens will be in a three-way-fight for 4th in Metro with NJ and Philly. NJ could be super dominant depending on how much of an impact Hughes has and adding Subban.

Not to mention Florida and Buffalo should be better making it less likely only three teams make it out of the Atlantic again.

I think the Rangers will have an improved season from last year by having more offensive weapons in Panarin and Kakko, but still finish either last or next to last in the division.

Poor center depth unless Howden or Chytil take a big step, or if they somehow make a trade before then. Also, while Trouba improves their defense, having Smith and Staal is not ideal. While Shatty may help offensively, he's pretty terrible defensively.
- Rinosaur

We'll likely just disagree on Shattenkirk an Schultz. I like Shattenkirk a lot better than Schultz defensively myself. Same with Smith, although I suspect he'll be gone. Both have good relative numbers, Shattenkirk's are very good, but they get dragged down by a tanking team.


Fox is a nice add to the defense. They're also expecting Kravtsov to make the team already.

I do agree at 2C they are vulnerable right now and will probably have some growing pains this year. But I see a team really on the rise in the near future. That's mostly what I mean by scary: not yet, but what's coming.

Ideally, Geno has a more dominant year, Murray picks up where he left off and the Pens don't have a revolving injury door; if that happens I fully believe they could finish first. I don't however think the playoffs are a lock.

Realistically? I think the Pens will be in a three-way-fight for 4th in Metro with NJ and Philly. NJ could be super dominant depending on how much of an impact Hughes has and adding Subban.

Not to mention Florida and Buffalo should be better making it less likely only three teams make it out of the Atlantic again.
- Rinosaur

Yeah....the injury bug is my biggest fear. Letang, Malkin and Murray can't go down for extended periods. If the forwards commit to helping out on D like they did in the cup runs they'll finish in the top 3 in the Metro.

So... someone made this that I found on reddit.

https://public.tableau.com/profile/christopher.turtoro?fbclid=IwAR0QiCuNOTxyVYVUkv7lkcFFTkDELq8F4BXU0WBofss6PTapNGHhqyUz--Q#!/vizhome/Pokemon_NHL/Dash

NHL players to pokemon tool. Some are a chuckle I guess.

putting hte URL tags seems to break the post, don't know why.

But according to Feds Yzerman > Fedorov > Lemieux.

I wonder where Crosby, Jagr, Malkin and Francis are rated for him. I bet he says Datsyuk and Zetterberg are better than all of them.
- Barnaby36

Holy (frank) bud. You’re retarded. Clearly Mario is an all time legend and probably even better than Gretzky.

You read the Athletic article I posted about a few pages back. It pretty much said what you are, that even with some bad contracts, the good ones outweighed them. Dom, one of their resident analytics experts, ranked them seventh in overall value on their non ELC or goalie contracts, and that's before Pettersson signs.
- Tojo.

I don't have a subscription to The Athletic, but the way I look at it, If we assume JJ is totally worthless, thats 2.2 million (because we can bury him and get back 1.05)

Say, Horn is 500k overpaid, Tanev 500k, Guddy 500k, Rust 250k?

Thats 4 million in overpays over 5 players, on an 80 million dollar cap

Chump Change - easily one of the best situations in the league, just look around

We easily without even breaking it down have at least 8 million in underpays right now, not counting ELC's

Holy (frank) bud. You’re retarded. Clearly Mario is an all time legend and probably even better than Gretzky.
- Feds91Stammer

I was F’n around with you bud. Mario is the best ever imo. Size+Skill+Hockey IQ

I was F’n around with you bud. Mario is the best ever imo. Size+Skill+Hockey IQ
- Barnaby36

If we're not counting Bobby Orr, then yes, you can make that argument.

So... someone made this that I found on reddit.

https://public.tableau.com/profile/christopher.turtoro?fbclid=IwAR0QiCuNOTxyVYVUkv7lkcFFTkDELq8F4BXU0WBofss6PTapNGHhqyUz--Q#!/vizhome/Pokemon_NHL/Dash

NHL players to pokemon tool. Some are a chuckle I guess.

putting hte URL tags seems to break the post, don't know why.
- Guile

LOL AO8 is most likely a muk haha

If we're not counting Bobby Orr, then yes, you can make that argument.
- jmatchett383

Bobby Orr is overrated af

zzzzzzz

Bobby Orr is overrated af
- Feds91Stammer

hahaha

hahaha
- MattStrat

It’s true. (frank) 70s hockey.

It’s true. (frank) 70s hockey.
- Feds91Stammer

Cant tell if serious or joking.

He won the Art Ross, Hart and Conn Smyth all in one year....as a D-man....obviously won the Norris that year too haha.

Sure, the game was a lot more open and the goalies were a 1/4 the size but some of the players were massively skilled and he was one of them. Gretzky started in the 70's and the game wasn't that much different in the 80's especially the first half of the decade.

Cant tell if serious or joking.

He won the Art Ross, Hart and Conn Smyth all in one year....as a D-man....obviously won the Norris that year too haha.

Sure, the game was a lot more open and the goalies were a 1/4 the size but some of the players were massively skilled and he was one of them. Gretzky started in the 70's and the game wasn't that much different in the 80's especially the first half of the decade.
- MattStrat

I have a hard time valuing that old ass hockey because the on ice product was so terrible in comparison to today.

I have a hard time valuing that old ass hockey because the on ice product was so terrible in comparison to today.
- Feds91Stammer

You can say that about any sport though. Except baseball. Its always been boring AF and really only good for hanging out having a beer on a nice summer night.

Only time it was enjoyable was when everyone was juiced.

I have a hard time valuing that old ass hockey because the on ice product was so terrible in comparison to today.
- Feds91Stammer

The goaltending is comical