Probably good value in betting Flyers to win Metro
- ClaudeFather

I mean it looks like the Penguins are finally starting to regress. If everything broke right they could be competing to win the Division. They are +750 to win the Metro on the site I use. Washington, Pittsburgh, Carolina, Islanders ahead of them. Devils & Rags slightly behind.

I was looking at the early odds to win the Eastern Conference, Flyers are like # 11. Which means after the coaching change, addition of Hayes, adding 2 veteran dmen, full season of Hart etc... still not projected to make the playoffs.
- PLindbergh31

Who is #1 -10?

I still don't think Columbus, Rangers, or The Devils are better than the Flyers on paper.

The Penguins are in trouble, Detroit doesn't worry me.

The Islanders goaltending gives me pause.

Washington, Boston, Carolina, Florida, Tampa, and The Leafs are the teams that we will be chasing.

If he falters or goes through a bad stretch I still don't see it as being nearly as bad as using 8 goalies in a season.
- MBFlyerfan

no it isnt as majority of those 8 goalies are not nhl caliber. To me the margin for error is very slim, if there even is a margin.

The inconsistencies that have plagued this team for several coaches will still be there until proven otherwise.

Probably good value in betting Flyers to win Metro
- ClaudeFather

from an odds and betting point of view worth a view bucks to invest

I mean it looks like the Penguins are finally starting to regress. If everything broke right they could be competing to win the Division. They are +750 to win the Metro on the site I use. Washington, Pittsburgh, Carolina, Islanders ahead of them. Devils & Rags slightly behind.
- PLindbergh31

honestly not that concerned about his injuries though when dealing with the flyers medical staff all bets are off
- daryl stanley

Well when he does get injured one of two things will happen.

1. Hart gets ran into the ground
2. A non NHL caliber goaltender is going to lose a fair amount of games

cancel the season. its over. we're cooked.
- Doc_Sarcasm

not even watching the games. no point.

Who is #1 -10?

I still don't think Columbus, Rangers, or The Devils are better than the Flyers on paper.

The Penguins are in trouble, Detroit doesn't worry me.

The Islanders goaltending gives me pause.

Washington, Boston, Carolina, Florida, Tampa, and The Leafs are the teams that we will be chasing.
- MBFlyerfan

Actually the Flyers are # 9

1-8 are:

TB
Bos
Tor
Wash
Pitt
Florida
Car
NYI

Well when he does get injured one of two things will happen.

1. Hart gets ran into the ground
2. A non NHL caliber goaltender is going to lose a fair amount of games
- PLindbergh31

that is the rub lyon is the 3rd goalie

well the question is should they have invested more in a better more consistent backup? yes it would have cost 4m or close to it though in the end would that safety net been worth it?

The flip side is I wonder which goalies would have been even interested knowing Hart is the main guy here. My guess is not many.

Actually the Flyers are # 9

1-8 are:

TB
Bos
Tor
Wash
Pitt
Florida
Car
NYI
- PLindbergh31

That's reasonable. As I said I wonder about NYI and Pitts.

That reasonable. As I said I wonder about NYI and Pitts.
- MBFlyerfan

I think you can eliminate Detroit, Buffalo and Ottawa right off the top. I think TB, Bos, Wash, Tor are playoff locks.

So that leaves 4 playoff spots available with Pittsburgh, Flyers, Devils, Carolina, Florida, NYI, Rags, Mont, C-bus all in the mix.

So 4 spots among 9 teams. They are firmly a bubble team.

That reasonable. As I said I wonder about NYI and Pitts.
- MBFlyerfan

Who is Carolina's goalie?

Who is Carolina's goalie?
- ClaudeFather

Jon Casey?

that is the rub lyon is the 3rd goalie

well the question is should they have invested more in a better more consistent backup? yes it would have cost 4m or close to it though in the end would that safety net been worth it?

The flip side is I wonder which goalies would have been even interested knowing Hart is the main guy here. My guess is not many.
- daryl stanley

Curtis Mcelhinny has been healthier and better than Elliott the last two seasons. He came in with a 1.3 million dollar cap hit. Even though he is older than Elliott, he would have been a better option.

Who is Carolina's goalie?
- ClaudeFather

Reimer/Mrazek

Reimer/Mrazek
- PLindbergh31

guaranteed success

Curtis Mcelhinny has been healthier and better than Elliott the last two seasons. He came in with a 1.3 million dollar cap hit. Even though he is older than Elliott, he would have been a better option.
- PLindbergh31

correct though i don't think he wanted to come here as read something he wanted one of the florida teams.

def a better option and money talks so who knows.

guaranteed success
- ClaudeFather

They are a playoff bubble team just like the Flyers.

I think you can eliminate Detroit, Buffalo and Ottawa right off the top. I think TB, Bos, Wash, Tor are playoff locks.

So that leaves 4 playoff spots available with Pittsburgh, Flyers, Devils, Carolina, Florida, NYI, Rags, Mont, C-bus all in the mix.

So 4 spots among 9 teams. They are firmly a bubble team.
- PLindbergh31

I wouldn't discount buffalo just yet

I think you can eliminate Detroit, Buffalo and Ottawa right off the top. I think TB, Bos, Wash, Tor are playoff locks.

So that leaves 4 playoff spots available with Pittsburgh, Flyers, Devils, Carolina, Florida, NYI, Rags, Mont, C-bus all in the mix.

So 4 spots among 9 teams. They are firmly a bubble team.
- PLindbergh31

Yes, I agree.

Last year was a perfect storm of suckiness. So many things went wrong from the goalies (which I think started a domino effect) to the regression of IP and SG, to the coaching debacle etc etc.

I think stability alone from a goalie and coaching standpoint will help tremendously.

Curtis Mcelhinny has been healthier and better than Elliott the last two seasons. He came in with a 1.3 million dollar cap hit. Even though he is older than Elliott, he would have been a better option.
- PLindbergh31

Two years is too long for a 36 year old backup goalie.

I was looking at the early odds to win the Eastern Conference, Flyers are like # 11. Which means after the coaching change, addition of Hayes, adding 2 veteran dmen, full season of Hart etc... still not projected to make the playoffs.
- PLindbergh31

Let them forfeit the season based on this projection and just start prepping for 20/21 season. Maybe projection will be more favorable then.

I expect a good 10-15 point increase from the Flyers this season just based on the following:

1. Proven , winner coach in AV which inevitably always leads to an uptick
2. Full season of Hart
3. Expected bounceback from one or both of Ghost and Provorov

It's the other things we wonder about that determine if they are a bubble team or locked in to a spot.

guaranteed success
- ClaudeFather

If they continue to receive just league-average goaltending, they'll make it in, just based on how they play the game, and how tight-knit that team is off the ice.

Let them forfeit the season based on this projection and just start prepping for 20/21 season. Maybe projection will be more favorable then.
- missingmike

what were the odds of st. louis winning the cup last year?

edit: didn't mean to quote you, just asking in general.