not sure if there are other gm's around that are willing to overpay either.

we're going to have a hard time trading him if he's demanding matthews money.

i wonder if we trade him, to say columbus, will he will still demand he gets has much as matthews from the blue jackets?
- Tumbleweed

Do you think Dubas would go through another year with a hold out or trade him? I read that the team has a soft date of when to have him signed by and if he isn't that they'll trade him. I'm not buying it though. Nothing can be that cut and dry and there's an assumption there that a team would be offering up something fair to Toronto to acquire the player. That's a big assumption when the guy isn't even signed. The Bruins might be going through something similar with McAvoy and Carlo this year.

those charts are from 2017-18.

you're missing what's sitting right in front of you. nylander and matthews played with hyman that year.

marner had a career year in 18-19....playing with hyman.

max is right. hyman>>matthews+marner+a dozen nylanders
- Tumbleweed

Hyman is the secret ingredient

Do you think Dubas would go through another year with a hold out or trade him? I read that the team has a soft date of when to have him signed by and if he isn't that they'll trade him. I'm not buying it though. Nothing can be that cut and dry and there's an assumption there that a team would be offering up something fair to Toronto to acquire the player. That's a big assumption when the guy isn't even signed. The Bruins might be going through something similar with McAvoy and Carlo this year.
- RickJames77

I would think they've held some conversations with some teams...They know what they could get for him.

Hyman is the secret ingredient
- Santo_44

All I know is, these players take advantage of playing in Toronto. this is why these guys ask for more money here.

If Marner was in Carolina, does anyone think he would be asking for $11 + million per?

These players are greedy.

If should be an honor to put on the Blue and White. Wanting to win a Cup in Toronto, should be these players goals. AM, MM, JT, these guys havent won Anything in the NHL yet, and yet they are wanting to be paid crazy amounts of money.

Next Barganing agreement needs to address this.

i would say, after your first NHL Contact, the next one can be a MAX of 4 Years only....with a max of $5 Mill per. this would then bring a player for 25. after that, he can sign a max term (8 years).

I've loved Dermott since before he was drafted. I've watched him at every step on his way to the Leafs, and I think he'll get better still.

But there's no way he's more important to the team than Nylander.

EDIT: Freddy has been amazing, that's why. But yeah, he's had sub-par game 7's. He let in 2 weak goals in game 7 this past season but lets not forget that 2 incredibly bad and unnecessary turnovers started both plays.
- GreatGigInTheSky

My season tickets are in the balcony between the blue line and the tops of the face of circle on the side where Freddy let that goal in. I still after watching the replay have no (frank)ing idea how that puck squeaked through him

I had assumed that being at the game and being that high up that I just couldn't see the opening that went through, but nope

All I know is, these players take advantage of playing in Toronto. this is why these guys ask for more money here.

If Marner was in Carolina, does anyone think he would be asking for $11 + million per?

These players are greedy.

If should be an honor to put on the Blue and White. Wanting to win a Cup in Toronto, should be these players goals. AM, MM, JT, these guys havent won Anything in the NHL yet, and yet they are wanting to be paid crazy amounts of money.

Next Barganing agreement needs to address this.

i would say, after your first NHL Contact, the next one can be a MAX of 4 Years only....with a max of $5 Mill per. this would then bring a player for 25. after that, he can sign a max term (8 years).
- Sandro

Tavares was a different story altogether. He was a young superstar UFA and his contract was always going to be around 11m at max length

All I know is, these players take advantage of playing in Toronto. this is why these guys ask for more money here.

If Marner was in Carolina, does anyone think he would be asking for $11 + million per?

These players are greedy.

If should be an honor to put on the Blue and White. Wanting to win a Cup in Toronto, should be these players goals. AM, MM, JT, these guys havent won Anything in the NHL yet, and yet they are wanting to be paid crazy amounts of money.

Next Barganing agreement needs to address this.

i would say, after your first NHL Contact, the next one can be a MAX of 4 Years only....with a max of $5 Mill per. this would then bring a player for 25. after that, he can sign a max term (8 years).
- Sandro

If the NHL owners are proposing a $ max on 2nd contracts, I hope you enjoy the KHL and whatever the women's league ends up looking like, because that's the only hockey you will be watching for 1-2 years.

Expect the BoyWonder to play like this next season

They say he weighs 240 now

If the NHL owners are proposing a $ max on 2nd contracts, I hope you enjoy the KHL and whatever the women's league ends up looking like, because that's the only hockey you will be watching for 1-2 years.
- Atomic Wedgie

Agreed.

The NHL is now a young man's game. No way will the best players give up on the possibility to get paid more than older players.

As a defenceman on an NHL team?
- Atomic Wedgie

Agreed.

The NHL is now a young man's game. No way will the best players give up on the possibility to get paid more than older players.
- Scabeh

I loved overpaying old UFAs top dollar for their past success. Gimme all the David Backeses you got

I loved overpaying old UFAs top dollar for their past success. Gimme all the David Backeses you got
- RickJames77

The entry level deal thing was negociated by older player who wanted a bigger piece of the pie with the cap era. They were the stars and wanted to be the ones getting paid.

Next time around, it won't be the same story.

Agreed.

The NHL is now a young man's game. No way will the best players give up on the possibility to get paid more than older players.
- Scabeh

That depends entirely on whether or not the league has the stomach to make them sit out a year.

The owners have the money. The players have short careers.

At some point, if the owners really want something they will get their way.

The entry level deal thing was negociated by older player who wanted a bigger piece of the pie with the cap era. They were the stars and wanted to be the ones getting paid.

Next time around, it won't be the same story.
- Scabeh

It was pretty franking funny.

The NHLPA voted to allow salary restrictions on players who hadn't yet joined the league (and therefore had no votes).

The entry level deal thing was negociated by older player who wanted a bigger piece of the pie with the cap era. They were the stars and wanted to be the ones getting paid.

Next time around, it won't be the same story.
- Scabeh

Agreed - any word on whether the league and PA are opting in or out of the CBA? Signs were pointing to them opting in or at least an easier negotiation than they had the last few times, but let's be real, no one's falling for that

Fool me once...

It was pretty franking funny.

The NHLPA voted to allow salary restrictions on players who hadn't yet joined the league (and therefore had no votes).
- Atomic Wedgie

I must say.

It was brillant.

Do you think Dubas would go through another year with a hold out or trade him? I read that the team has a soft date of when to have him signed by and if he isn't that they'll trade him. I'm not buying it though. Nothing can be that cut and dry and there's an assumption there that a team would be offering up something fair to Toronto to acquire the player. That's a big assumption when the guy isn't even signed. The Bruins might be going through something similar with McAvoy and Carlo this year.
- RickJames77

no idea.

but if dubas actually throws down a deadline, he'll look like a wussy around the league if he doesn't stick to it. much like marner's agent snakerris.

but what do you do if the deadline passes? take away all the cap space and give marner a big f u? say sign marroon for 1x4M, gardiner for 1x$6M and whoever the least poopty backup available his.

then trade him or let him sit out the year?

that would be a (frank)ing harsh move. but you can't cave and sign him to that to 11.5M. will be terrible deal for the team.

That depends entirely on whether or not the league has the stomach to make them sit out a year.

The owners have the money. The players have short careers.

At some point, if the owners really want something they will get their way.
- Aetherial

But the players are franking stupid.

The thing that summed it up the most for me was during the last lockout, the NHLPA had a big meeting - every team's player rep was there. Big media event - they showed them being walked into the boardroom in some hotel. Players all filed in wearing flipflops, cargo shorts, hats on backwards. Not a single laptop. Not a single notebook. Not a single franking pen.

You're representing approximately 45 guys, and you aren't going to take notes?

no idea.

but if dubas actually throws down a deadline, he'll look like a wussy around the league if he doesn't stick to it. much like marner's agent snakerris.

but what do you do if the deadline passes? take away all the cap space and give marner a big f u? say sign marroon for 1x4M, gardiner for 1x$6M and whoever the least poopty backup available his.

then trade him or let him sit out the year?

that would be a (frank)ing harsh move. but you can't cave and sign him to that to 11.5M. will be terrible deal for the team.
- Tumbleweed

At a certain point, you make a public announcement that you can't agree to terms, and you are officially giving permission to the other 30 GMs to engage in contract talks with Marner's camp, in the hopes of making a trade. All reasonable offers will be considered.

When Ferris realizes that he's overplayed his hand, the contract demands will come down.

At a certain point, you make a public announcement that you can't agree to terms, and you are officially giving permission to the other 30 GMs to engage in contract talks with Marner's camp, in the hopes of making a trade. All reasonable offers will be considered.

When Ferris realizes that he's overplayed his hand, the contract demands will come down.
- Atomic Wedgie

Somethings gotta give. I just don't see him going through this for a second year in a row.

Somethings gotta give. I just don't see him going through this for a second year in a row.
- RickJames77

To date, there has been 1 RFA to sign, and that was because of a low-ball offer sheet.

There's still plenty of time.

Hyman is the secret ingredient
- Santo_44

only until you break it to get to the good stuff.

To date, there has been 1 RFA to sign, and that was because of a low-ball offer sheet.

There's still plenty of time.
- Atomic Wedgie

There are still over 60 notable (I mean not great, but when I read the list, I know their names) RFAs that are unsigned. As you said, none of the big names have signed.

They can set the benchmark for Marner, not Matthews.

At a certain point, you make a public announcement that you can't agree to terms, and you are officially giving permission to the other 30 GMs to engage in contract talks with Marner's camp, in the hopes of making a trade. All reasonable offers will be considered.

When Ferris realizes that he's overplayed his hand, the contract demands will come down.
- Atomic Wedgie

probably. ferris and p.marner are out in fantasy land.

once they get a reality bomb like this, panic is likely and they probably cave in short order.

my only issue - if it's actually p.marner driving the salary demands or mitch. if it's. p. than (frank) it, who cares.

if it's mitch, then this is a good way to build resentment and a likely trade down the road.