indeed!

trade the guy that is signed already (Nylander) and give Marner his 8x11.65mln deal already.
- MaximusAurelius

You kill me.

Nylander at 6.9 is an overpayment and (frank)s us - your words.

Yet you want to sign Marner to a contract that completely (frank)s the team going forward.

Butt(frank)ingamazing.

Marner has one bad or down year and this becomes the worst contract in the league.

You've never seen him play eh?
- AdamFrench

the only thing i am clinging to, is that he was fed to the wolves with the Sens and played some of the toughest mins..also he was usually strapped to a Dion liker player.

so maybe he can be somewhat serviceable as a 4/5/6 ..then i think...but at 4.5 mil ...

You kill me.

Nylander at 6.9 is an overpayment and (frank)s us - your words.

Yet you want to sign Marner to a contract that completely (frank)s the team going forward.

Butt(frank)ingamazing.

Marner has one bad or down year and this becomes the worst contract in the league.
- Kinger34

never said that nylander at 6.9mln AAV is a bad contract.
i said that you cannot have your 6th/7th best player on a 7mln caphit. (Matthews-Marner-Tavares-Rielly-Hyman-Dermott-Andersen all more important to Leafs than Nylander).
nylander is a luxury leafs cannot afford.
and i don't like his playing style, i seriously doubt has got more in him that his 60 points on the back of Matthews.

the only thing i am clinging to, is that he was fed to the wolves with the Sens and played some of the toughest mins..also he was usually strapped to a Dion liker player.

so maybe he can be somewhat serviceable as a 4/5/6 ..then i think...but at 4.5 mil ...
- senstroll

He's a Leaf so I obviously hope he plays well, but I just can't see it.

never said that nylander at 6.9mln AAV is a bad contract.
i said that you cannot have your 6th/7th best player on a 7mln caphit. (Matthews-Marner-Tavares-Rielly-Hyman-Dermott-Andersen all more important to Leafs than Nylander).
nylander is a luxury leafs cannot afford.
and i don't like his playing style, i seriously doubt has got more in him that his 60 points on the back of Matthews.
- MaximusAurelius

Marner is getting overrated here.

He is one season removed from 67 points.

Marner at 11 million is an overpament and I can't see anyone giving it to him.

Time to sign a 2-3 year deal and have him prove it.

never said that nylander at 6.9mln AAV is a bad contract.
i said that you cannot have your 6th/7th best player on a 7mln caphit. (Matthews-Marner-Tavares-Rielly-Hyman-Dermott-Andersen all more important to Leafs than Nylander).
nylander is a luxury leafs cannot afford.
and i don't like his playing style, i seriously doubt has got more in him that his 60 points on the back of Matthews.
- MaximusAurelius

As long as Marner doesn't get over paid by $3 million, they can afford Nylander.

- Santo_44

Quite a few people that know hockey will take Hyman any day over Nylander - that is, if the goal is to win a Stanley Cup.
Not saying that Hyman is the better player - I'm saying he's more important to the Leafs than Nylander (since what Nylander brings, others on the team bring, and better).

never said that nylander at 6.9mln AAV is a bad contract.
i said that you cannot have your 6th/7th best player on a 7mln caphit. (Matthews-Marner-Tavares-Rielly-Hyman-Dermott-Andersen all more important to Leafs than Nylander).
nylander is a luxury leafs cannot afford.
and i don't like his playing style, i seriously doubt has got more in him that his 60 points on the back of Matthews.
- MaximusAurelius

I get you don't like his playing style, but Nylander at 6.9>Marner at 11.5.

Maybe Marner is the luxury we can't afford. Maybe it's he we should be trading for a top pairing dman.

I don't think Dermott is more important to this team than Nylander.

I am amazed at the support that Freddie gets on here. Everyone harps on Gards for his playoff performances but Freddie is 0-4 in game 7s and he gets nothing.

Quite a few people that know hockey will take Hyman any day over Nylander - that is, if the goal is to win a Stanley Cup.
Not saying that Hyman is the better player - I'm saying he's more important to the Leafs than Nylander (since what Nylander brings, others on the team bring, and better).
- MaximusAurelius

never said that nylander at 6.9mln AAV is a bad contract.
i said that you cannot have your 6th/7th best player on a 7mln caphit. (Matthews-Marner-Tavares-Rielly-Hyman-Dermott-Andersen all more important to Leafs than Nylander).
nylander is a luxury leafs cannot afford.
and i don't like his playing style, i seriously doubt has got more in him that his 60 points on the back of Matthews.
- MaximusAurelius

i am not crazy about Nylander's contract--esp given the fact we have so many other players ahead of him, on the importance scale.

But having said that, and seeing a lot of players signing deals, North of $7 Mill Per, if Nylander finishes the year, recording 70-75 points (which is very possible) All of a sudden, his contract doesnt look as bad....esp for a 23 year old.

He could be a nice trading chip down the road, either at the deadline, or come next Summner.

I get you don't like his playing style, but Nylander at 6.9>Marner at 11.5.

Maybe Marner is the luxury we can't afford. Maybe it's he we should be trading for a top pairing dman.

I don't think Dermott is more important to this team than Nylander.

I am amazed at the support that Freddie gets on here. Everyone harps on Gards for his playoff performances but Freddie is 0-4 in game 7s and he gets nothing.
- Kinger34

I'm not a big fan of Freddy (as in "Andersen is Vezine candidate!") unlike some other fanboys in here. Andersen has now 4 (or 3?) game 7 losses in NHL playoffs between Anaheim and Leafs - he basically is not good in decisive games.

However, he is a goalie that can contribute to a SC win - like Crawford for example (not a great goalie, but with him in net you can win a SC cup).

Freddy is not a top10 NHL goalie for me - he's 10-20 in league today.

Marner is getting overrated here.

He is one season removed from 67 points.

Marner at 11 million is an overpament and I can't see anyone giving it to him.

Time to sign a 2-3 year deal and have him prove it.
- Santo_44

I think 11 mil is fine for Marner going forward and he would preform up to that value and more, the problem is.. there is a Salary cap..and you have to play/pay other players and try to build a winner... if you want to play with AM/JT/WN etc etc... you have to take a liittle off the top.

This is literally the first positive thing you've ever said about the Leafs and I can't even agree with you.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I've turned over a new leaf....

Marner is getting overrated here.

He is one season removed from 67 points.

Marner at 11 million is an overpament and I can't see anyone giving it to him.

Time to sign a 2-3 year deal and have him prove it.
- Santo_44

The GM's are to blame for these "Long-Term" Contacts. these were used, to bring down the Average Cap Hit Per year....BUT NOW, that is not the case....as the players/Agents want the Term, AND The huge pay day.
GM's didnt think this one though.

I think 11 mil is fine for Marner going forward and he would preform up to that value and more, the problem is.. there is a Salary cap..and you have to play/pay other players and try to build a winner... if you want to play with AM/JT/WN etc etc... you have to take a liittle off the top.
- senstroll

I just don't agree.

I think the difference between Nylander/Marner isn't by a whole lot...and If Marner went through the same situation as Nylander we would see the same results.

https://www.reddit.com/r/...ylander_vs_auston_graphs/

This guy on reddit does a pretty great job at comparing the three. Marner is not 4 million a year better when looking at the facts from the past 3 years.

The GM's are to blame for these "Long-Term" Contacts. these were used, to bring down the Average Cap Hit Per year....BUT NOW, that is not the case....as the players/Agents want the Term, AND The huge pay day.
GM's didnt think this one though.
- Sandro

I think 8 year deals don't make a whole lot of sense in a cap world anyways.

MAYBE if you know your team is going through a long rebuild and wont be competitive for the first 3-4 years it makes sense. But the 8 year deal term can be pretty crippling to a team.

Quite a few people that know hockey will take Hyman any day over Nylander - that is, if the goal is to win a Stanley Cup.
Not saying that Hyman is the better player - I'm saying he's more important to the Leafs than Nylander (since what Nylander brings, others on the team bring, and better).
- MaximusAurelius

No, they wouldn't.

They would take him on their team, but not over Nylander. That's like how to make a team worse 101.

I get you don't like his playing style, but Nylander at 6.9>Marner at 11.5.

Maybe Marner is the luxury we can't afford. Maybe it's he we should be trading for a top pairing dman.

I don't think Dermott is more important to this team than Nylander.

I am amazed at the support that Freddie gets on here. Everyone harps on Gards for his playoff performances but Freddie is 0-4 in game 7s and he gets nothing.
- Kinger34

not sure if there are other gm's around that are willing to overpay either.

we're going to have a hard time trading him if he's demanding matthews money.

i wonder if we trade him, to say columbus, will he will still demand he gets has much as matthews from the blue jackets?

I get you don't like his playing style, but Nylander at 6.9>Marner at 11.5.

Maybe Marner is the luxury we can't afford. Maybe it's he we should be trading for a top pairing dman.

I don't think Dermott is more important to this team than Nylander.

I am amazed at the support that Freddie gets on here. Everyone harps on Gards for his playoff performances but Freddie is 0-4 in game 7s and he gets nothing.
- Kinger34

I've loved Dermott since before he was drafted. I've watched him at every step on his way to the Leafs, and I think he'll get better still.

But there's no way he's more important to the team than Nylander.

EDIT: Freddy has been amazing, that's why. But yeah, he's had sub-par game 7's. He let in 2 weak goals in game 7 this past season but lets not forget that 2 incredibly bad and unnecessary turnovers started both plays.

I just don't agree.

I think the difference between Nylander/Marner isn't by a whole lot...and If Marner went through the same situation as Nylander we would see the same results.

https://www.reddit.com/r/...ylander_vs_auston_graphs/

This guy on reddit does a pretty great job at comparing the three. Marner is not 4 million a year better when looking at the facts from the past 3 years.
- Santo_44

oh there is no doubt in my mind how good Nylander is. And i also dont see a hug gap between him and Marner.

the objections you get to that stuff us, Willie is soft and has no heart.
So its not worth talking about anymore

not sure if there are other gm's around that are willing to overpay either.

we're going to have a hard time trading him if he's demanding matthews money.

i wonder if we trade him, to say columbus, will he will still demand he gets has much as matthews from the blue jackets?
- Tumbleweed

CBJ is a team that could wait on him too.

Let him sit, CBJ is not going anywhere this year anyways.

oh there is no doubt in my mind how good Nylander is. And i also dont see a hug gap between him and Marner.

the objections you get to that stuff us, Willie is soft and has no heart.
So its not worth talking about anymore
- senstroll

Yeah I know what you mean.

Over the next 5 years I would predict Nylander and Marner to have similar point totals. And everyone will be saying Marner is overpaid and will be the guy that gets traded IF he is at 11 million.

I've turned over a new leaf....
- kaptaan

I just don't agree.

I think the difference between Nylander/Marner isn't by a whole lot...and If Marner went through the same situation as Nylander we would see the same results.

https://www.reddit.com/r/...ylander_vs_auston_graphs/

This guy on reddit does a pretty great job at comparing the three. Marner is not 4 million a year better when looking at the facts from the past 3 years.
- Santo_44

those charts are from 2017-18.

you're missing what's sitting right in front of you. nylander and matthews played with hyman that year.

marner had a career year in 18-19....playing with hyman.

max is right. hyman>>matthews+marner+a dozen nylanders