To me, the NHL Contracts/Cap situation is now broken.

Salaries are increasing faster then the Salary Cap.

To me, I dont see how a player who is coming off his entry Level Contract (21/22 yrs old), can get $10+ million. it just doesnt work--These guys are too young.
I think, the max amount of money they can make is $6.5 million Per (on a max of a 3 or 5 year deal). This would get them to 26 years old--which then bridges him to UFA status.

Another point is, Teams who draft well, end up being punished for doing exactly that. Maybe the NHL needs to visit the idea of Teams who draft their own players, get a 25% Break on their cap.

I am only proposing this, again, because the Salary Cap is not moving as quickly as the Salaries are.
- Sandro

The problem with the salary cap is you get punished for drafting well. Leafs can have all the good contracts they want but if they hit on all their 1st rounders for a few years you'll be out of cap room fast.

The problem with the salary cap is you get punished for drafting well. Leafs can have all the good contracts they want but if they hit on all their 1st rounders for a few years you'll be out of cap room fast.
- RogerRoeper

yup...and i made that point.

To me, the NHL Contracts/Cap situation is now broken.

Salaries are increasing faster then the Salary Cap.

To me, I dont see how a player who is coming off his entry Level Contract (21/22 yrs old), can get $10+ million. it just doesnt work--These guys are too young.
I think, the max amount of money they can make is $6.5 million Per (on a max of a 3 or 5 year deal). This would get them to 26 years old--which then bridges him to UFA status.

Another point is, Teams who draft well, end up being punished for doing exactly that. Maybe the NHL needs to visit the idea of Teams who draft their own players, get a 25% Break on their cap.

I am only proposing this, again, because the Salary Cap is not moving as quickly as the Salaries are.
- Sandro

Source? Please illustrate.

The problem with the salary cap is you get punished for drafting well. Leafs can have all the good contracts they want but if they hit on all their 1st rounders for a few years you'll be out of cap room fast.
- RogerRoeper

Yes and no..

The only reason I say that is because had the Leafs not signed Tavares, I don't think we'd have cap issues. I also don't think Matthews and Marner ask for or get $11M per.

With that said, I am still really, really happy we got Tavares to sign here.

no idea.

but if dubas actually throws down a deadline, he'll look like a wussy around the league if he doesn't stick to it. much like marner's agent snakerris.

but what do you do if the deadline passes? take away all the cap space and give marner a big f u? say sign marroon for 1x4M, gardiner for 1x$6M and whoever the least poopty backup available his.

then trade him or let him sit out the year?

that would be a (frank)ing harsh move. but you can't cave and sign him to that to 11.5M. will be terrible deal for the team.
- Tumbleweed

conceptually, they've already passed the point where we know the agent has overplayed his hand.... if the agent hadn't - there would be offer sheets that Marner's camp would have signed.

which should tell Dubas something,
a) Marner really doesn't want to play elsewhere
b) Marner's contract demands are not realistic

which should tell Marner something
c) you're agent is a donkey
d) you have to decide on your contract $$ yourself... Mom and Dad may have your best in heart... but they should not be involved in your work place

Agree but, Leafs won’t sign him for 5 years. Puts MM AM WN all up for contract the same year and UFA. Leafs will want 4 or 6+ years. So maybe 9x4 or 10.5x6??? Arguably overpayment if u consider Aho.
- Bullot

I think its either 2-3 years or 7

The problem with the salary cap is you get punished for drafting well. Leafs can have all the good contracts they want but if they hit on all their 1st rounders for a few years you'll be out of cap room fast.
- RogerRoeper

I find it funny that we as Leaf fans know that you're punished on both sides.

The problem is not that the salary cap punishes you for drafting well. Many teams have drafted well and benefited from it. It punishes you far worse for NOT drafting well.

The problem is that we have unfortunately finally begun to draft well and build properly as an organization at the same that the market has shifted to a more empowered RFA base. Until the past few years, most RFA contracts were a little lower. Except for the elite. Here are some deals signed with players directly out of their ELC:


Crosby: 17.3%
Ovechkin: 16.8%
McDavid: 16.7%
Malkin: 15.3%
Matthews: 14.6%
Eichel: 13.3%
Kopitar: 12%
Stamkos: 11.7%
Draisaitl: 11.3%
Kane: 11.1%
Toews: 11.1%
Getzlaf: 10.6%
Seguin: 9.6%
Kessel: 9.5%
Tavares: 8.6%

Where the Leafs struggle is that they are dealing with 3 of these in 2 years (and note that Nylander is at 8.8%, so while it's on the high side, it's not untenable).

The hardest part to me is that we have drawn out the comparisons between Kane & Toews. Because those two have made the same cap hit, it reflects poorly on the leafs right not.

I like Toews, but Kane is the real deal of those two.

Marner signs for either 9x6 or 7.5x3, or GTFO.

Marner signs for either 9.5x6, 10.5x8 or 7.5x3, or GTFO.
- Steven_Seagull

Fixed

100%, and we're heading to another stoppage because of it.
- Kinger34

Escrow will be the main sticking point.
Imo

Marner signs for either 9x6 or 7.5x3, or GTFO.
- Steven_Seagull

What about 9.1 x 6 or 7.8 x 3?

What about 9.1 x 6 or 7.8 x 3?
- Fakepartofme

What about 9.1 x 6 or 7.8 x 3?
- Fakepartofme

He said "or GTFO." Your newly proposed numbers are completely outrageous & wholly unacceptable!

Marner's eventual contract: 5 years X $10.5

Marner camp current ask: 5 years X$11.0
Leafs current offer: 5 years X $9.5

Marner goes full tattooed bro d-bag and requests a 6x9,696,969 contract and laughs all the way to the bank

Something to consider when worried about the salary cap is that a new generation of talent is emerging. Just look at how many players were than a point per game players this season. For a while you'd see 3 or 4 per season and last year I think there was over 20.

Somehow teams need to convince players and agents that the size of the total pie doesn't increase at the same pace as the total goals scored across the league.

If a ppg player was worth 13% of team cap when there were only 3 or 4 in the league, how can a ppg player still be worth 13% of the team cap when there 20 of them in the league

Marner's eventual contract: 5 years X $10.5

Marner camp current ask: 5 years X$11.0
Leafs current offer: 5 years X $9.5
- Njuice

I don't think that he is going to get any deal for 5 years. I personally feel like the term is much more of a sticking point for the Leafs than the actual AAV. Of course I have no idea whether this is true or not. Just what I think. Can't have all these players coming up for renewal at the same time.

To me, the NHL Contracts/Cap situation is now broken.

Salaries are increasing faster then the Salary Cap.

To me, I dont see how a player who is coming off his entry Level Contract (21/22 yrs old), can get $10+ million. it just doesnt work--These guys are too young.
I think, the max amount of money they can make is $6.5 million Per (on a max of a 3 or 5 year deal). This would get them to 26 years old--which then bridges him to UFA status.

Another point is, Teams who draft well, end up being punished for doing exactly that. Maybe the NHL needs to visit the idea of Teams who draft their own players, get a 25% Break on their cap.

I am only proposing this, again, because the Salary Cap is not moving as quickly as the Salaries are.
- Sandro

How can salaries grow faster than the cap? From a business perspective this is just an issue of how the $s are divided among players. Owners shouldn’t care. What’s happening is a power shift between players with high skilled RFAs demanding more.

Marner's eventual contract: 5 years X $10.5

Marner camp current ask: 5 years X$11.0
Leafs current offer: 5 years X $9.5
- Njuice

Leafs will not give Marner a 5 yr contract. Its either a bridge deal or 6. Not a chance Leafs allow both Marner and Matthews to be UFA at the same time.

How can salaries grow faster than the cap? From a business perspective this is just an issue of how the $s are divided among players. Owners shouldn’t care. What’s happening is a power shift between players with high skilled RFAs demanding more.
- Canada Cup

Nailed it!

Leafs will not give Marner a 5 yr contract. Its either a bridge deal or 6. Not a chance Leafs allow both Marner and Matthews to be UFA at the same time.
- winsix

Oh I agree but I just think Marner's side would prefer five. 6 years though could be a good compromise. I'd be down with 6 years $10.5m deal.

Something to consider when worried about the salary cap is that a new generation of talent is emerging. Just look at how many players were than a point per game players this season. For a while you'd see 3 or 4 per season and last year I think there was over 20.

Somehow teams need to convince players and agents that the size of the total pie doesn't increase at the same pace as the total goals scored across the league.

If a ppg player was worth 13% of team cap when there were only 3 or 4 in the league, how can a ppg player still be worth 13% of the team cap when there 20 of them in the league
- Njuice

goal scoring has gone up the last 2 years vs. the several prior.

60 points is the new 50. salaries have not adjusted to this reality.

Source? Please illustrate.
- poopstash

anecdotally, escrow seems to be on the rise. from what I've read, it's +10%. i haven't seen an actual number. it does come up as the number 1 player issue going into the next cba.

the players at the bottom-end are stagnating. the minimum salary doesn't go up much each year. poverty at work?

seems like there are lot of double-digit contracts out there. i'm just guessing, but it feels like there are more players making high-end scratch these days.

anecdotally, escrow seems to be on the rise. from what I've read, it's +10%. i haven't seen an actual number. it does come up as the number 1 player issue going into the next cba.

the players at the bottom-end are stagnating. the minimum salary doesn't go up much each year. poverty at work?

seems like there are lot of double-digit contracts out there. i'm just guessing, but it feels like there are more players making high-end scratch these days.
- Tumbleweed

There are a lot of bottom end, pretty much interchangeable players. Every year a bunch of them are scrabbling for the last spots. High end players have been underpaid relative to everyone else for a while. That’s changing.

fire duvas
trade freewillie
andersen is a playoff choker
johnsson is frattin 2.0
captain hyman
get rid of willie, mitch and matthews and get a team of real men and not millenials with fugly tattoos
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