Horse sh!t
- CanuckDon

For sure, analytics is what it is - limits and positives included. But not the worst metric. Shows that he limits the number of shots that make it through the defenders (shots on net or that miss the net).

He limited goals against at a high level - at least something the team can sell to inflate value as much as possible
- CoolerHeads

Easy tiger don’t shoot the messenger haha
- CoolerHeads

Oh I’m not. I’m shooting PITB

Teams with cap space are generally going to use that cap space and ask for something in return. Not really worth it to Van to give up assets right now with other options available. No one team needs to get to the cap floor. Actual dollars would only work if you took back a similar contract only to buy it out. Stuck with a longer term problem potentially.
- manvanfan

As opposed to waiving LE? Well the buy out cap difference on the trade back player would have to be much better.

For sure, analytics is what it is - limits and positives included. But not the worst metric. Shows that he limits the number of shots that make it through the defenders (shots on net or that miss the net).

He limited goals against at a high level - at least something the team can sell to inflate value as much as possible
- CoolerHeads

It's a pk unit, not a individual pker. Literally everything you posted from Bulis is horse poop imo. If the canucks have the highest rank PK in the league, and eriksson is on the first pk unit, than I'll give him credit as a good pker, along with the 2nd ok unit, as a whole, they would be good based on having the best percentage. LE literally has negative value, and any trade involving him will not get us a return that will be positive, it will be of equal poop and will mainly offset with salary or term.

It's a pk unit, not a individual pker. Literally everything you posted from Bulis is horse poop imo. If the canucks have the highest rank PK in the league, and eriksson is on the first pk unit, than I'll give him credit as a good pker, along with the 2nd ok unit, as a whole, they would be good based on having the best percentage. LE literally has negative value, and any trade involving him will not get us a return that will be positive, it will be of equal poop and will mainly offset with salary or term.
- Codes1087

As opposed to waiving LE? Well the buy out cap difference on the trade back player would have to be much better.
- NuckUp

You obviously wouldn't take anything worse back.

I think LE might have a bit of a bounce back year. The team is far deeper overall than if has been since any point he's been here. Obviously, you don't pass up a good deal but you don't take a bad one back just for the sake of change.

If he doesn't report, he's breaching the contract.

I think LE might have a bit of a bounce back year. The team is far deeper overall than if has been since any point he's been here. Obviously, you don't pass up a good deal but you don't take a bad one back just for the sake of change.

If he doesn't report, he's breaching the contract.
- golfingsince

He's not going to not report...hes going to either be traded or force the Canucks to make a decision . Not going to just turn his back on 9 mil on a point of pride .

He's not going to not report...hes going to either be traded or force the Canucks to make a decision . Not going to just turn his back on 9 mil on a point of pride .
- Bullfrog77

So play him. If it's a matter of pride he's probably going to report in good shape, and want to prove himself. Unless he plays himself off the roster than burying him accomplishes nothing with absolutely nothing to be gained.

Who knows, maybe he pots 20-25 goals. That would more than double what he's put up in any season as a Canuck thus far and make his contract more palatable both to the team and potential trade partners.

So play him. If it's a matter of pride he's probably going to report in good shape, and want to prove himself. Unless he plays himself off the roster than burying him accomplishes nothing with absolutely nothing to be gained.

Who knows, maybe he pots 20-25 goals. That would more than double what he's put up in any season as a Canuck thus far and make his contract more palatable both to the team and potential trade partners.
- golfingsince

Or he has checked out mentally (as his comments would suggest) and it will be a waste of our time.

So play him. If it's a matter of pride he's probably going to report in good shape, and want to prove himself. Unless he plays himself off the roster than burying him accomplishes nothing with absolutely nothing to be gained.

Who knows, maybe he pots 20-25 goals. That would more than double what he's put up in any season as a Canuck thus far and make his contract more palatable both to the team and potential trade partners.
- golfingsince

Well if pride was his motivation... he should have come back after his first season with his hair on fire ! We are three poop seasons deep now ...i think it's safe to say personal pride isn't his motivation. He's just collecting a pay cheque! And if that is his motivation , then I agree with the coach.... (frank) that guy he can ride the bus in Utica!

So play him. If it's a matter of pride he's probably going to report in good shape, and want to prove himself. Unless he plays himself off the roster than burying him accomplishes nothing with absolutely nothing to be gained.

Who knows, maybe he pots 20-25 goals. That would more than double what he's put up in any season as a Canuck thus far and make his contract more palatable both to the team and potential trade partners.
- golfingsince

He wants to play but wants to have a few more opportunities to play with better line mates and more Ozone starts. Doesn't want the strict TG shutdown role with Beagle all game.

He's not going to not report...hes going to either be traded or force the Canucks to make a decision . Not going to just turn his back on 9 mil on a point of pride .
- Bullfrog77

Send him to Utica and make him a healthy scratch every game there

See if he enjoys riding the bus, practising every day and NOT playing

He may decide to "turn his back" on the 9 million, go to Sweden and earn back 4-6 of it playing over there

He wants to play but wants to have a few more opportunities to play with better line mates and more Ozone starts. Doesn't want the strict TG shutdown role with Beagle all game.
- manvanfan

If he wants to be a coach, then he can retire and go into coaching....

Anyone looked into if he retires or mutually terminates if there is any Luongo-esq recapture penalty?

Cuz it seems we have paid him 27 million so far for 3 seasons work and only 18 million worth of cap hits.....

Well if pride was his motivation... he should have come back after his first season with his hair on fire ! We are three poop seasons deep now ...i think it's safe to say personal pride isn't his motivation. He's just collecting a pay cheque! And if that is his motivation , then I agree with the coach.... (frank) that guy he can ride the bus in Utica!
- Bullfrog77

In the words of the great philosopher Bertuzzi, "it is what it is."

Send LE to Utica if JP cant sniff out a trade that doesnt involve picks in the first 3 rounds or a young asset with potential. I think the Canucks can easily work the cap with his $1m relief. Shaller and Gaudette can go down as well. Problem solved for this season.

LE should understand he's too expensive for a call up as well... he can play down there for his salary if he likes or tear up the contract. Next off season... try again. His term will be less. Maybe something can be worked out with a lesser sweetener later... or wait it out all over again. By the time QH and EP are up for raises, LE will only have a single season left with a rising cap ahead. He'd probably walk before then anyways.

If they have plans on signing Barrie or someone next summer... they may do what it takes to move LE. If they dont have plans like that.... why go so far as to trade a young player to free up space now? At the moment, they only need a little space and I'm buying what Benning said about them having a plan for all scenarios before the season starts. It's not like they are backed in a corner like some other teams are/were.

Or he has checked out mentally (as his comments would suggest) and it will be a waste of our time.
- LordHumungous

That's fine, you should know within 10-15 games. You aren't going to build up his trade value having him in the AHL, nor alleviate his cap hit.

The only two ways his value increases are over time as his contract runs out or (seasons) or by him bouncing back.

Send LE to Utica if JP cant sniff out a trade that doesnt involve picks in the first 3 rounds or a young asset with potential. I think the Canucks can easily work the cap with his $1m relief. Shaller and Gaudette can go down as well. Problem solved for this season.

LE should understand he's too expensive for a call up as well... he can play down there for his salary if he likes or tear up the contract. Next off season... try again. His term will be less. Maybe something can be worked out with a lesser sweetener later... or wait it out all over again. By the time QH and EP are up for raises, LE will only have a single season left with a rising cap ahead. He'd probably walk before then anyways.

If they have plans on signing Barrie or someone next summer... they may do what it takes to move LE. If they dont have plans like that.... why go so far as to trade a young player to free up space now? At the moment, they only need a little space and I'm buying what Benning said about them having a plan for all scenarios before the season starts. It's not like they are backed in a corner like some other teams are/were.
- boonerbuck

You save $1M off his cap to pay someone else that money. You need to give him an opportunity all else being equal.

He wants to play but wants to have a few more opportunities to play with better line mates and more Ozone starts. Doesn't want the strict TG shutdown role with Beagle all game.
- manvanfan

He'll get opportunities. Depth has a strange way of making everyone look better.

He'll get opportunities. Depth has a strange way of making everyone look better.
- golfingsince

Isn't that the point that there is enough depth that he's not needed. Who do you rather send down by keeping him up on a redemption try.

Apparently family is already there.
- VanHockeyGuy

Are you his personal real estate agent

You should see my nearly got laid stats.
- golfingsince

Are you his personal real estate agent
- VANTEL

Well if he moved to dallas he is done here

Oh I’m not. I’m shooting PITB
- CanuckDon

I read about two or three of his articles , called him an idiot and never read his stuff again.