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Or if he reports next season maybe just play him if no trade is made.
Play him solely on pk till his attitude changes and actually puts in effort. Its possible he gets his play in order....not bloody likely but possible. - SMBDragon
Low effort guy on the PK...
sounds like a great idea
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Low effort guy on the PK...
sounds like a great idea - RoloTahmasee
He was one of the top penalty killers in the league last year so he has a role to play there |
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SMBDragon
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Location: Escaped from Krypton Joined: 07.29.2010
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Low effort guy on the PK...
sounds like a great idea - RoloTahmasee
Hes 1 of the best pk guys in the NHL.
But many NHL people have ripped him for not breaking a sweat.
Might as well use his pk skills seeing as he's at the top. |
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- A_SteamingLombardi
Much crazier trades happen...a lot of GM’s in this league view players in different ways. Benning has certainly made his mistakes but he was also able to trade Guddy for a decent player...thought they were stuck with him but Pit needed a D-man bad. |
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He was one of the top penalty killers in the league last year so he has a role to play there - CoolerHeads
While he has a crappy attitude and is low effort because he's only getting PK minutes like the OP suggested?
Guys with crappy attitudes can ride the bus in Utica. Almost any bottom 6 player can be a competent penalty killer |
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He was one of the top penalty killers in the league last year so he has a role to play there - CoolerHeads
I know Pass it to Bulis wrote about this but I don’t believe it for a second. A classic case of stats being useless without old fashioned scouting. I haven’t dug into the data but I’d bet they are lacking context and are too simplistic |
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SMBDragon
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While he has a crappy attitude and is low effort because he's only getting PK minutes like the OP suggested?
Guys with crappy attitudes can ride the bus in Utica. Almost any bottom 6 player can be a competent penalty killer - RoloTahmasee
That's not what I said....read more carefully.
I said IF he reports for next season only play him on pk till his attitude changes. Make him earn minutes on a line. |
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Hes 1 of the best pk guys in the NHL.
But many NHL people have ripped him for not breaking a sweat.
Might as well use his pk skills seeing as he's at the top. - SMBDragon
He is absolutely not one of the best PK guys in the NHL man lol. What do you have to support that? |
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I still like Wennberg as the target for either an Eriksson or Sutter trade.
Cbus needs NHL players and Wennberg isn't going to bounce back under Torts. - belcherbd
Hmm 24 year old swede center signed 4 years at 4.9M. Hard sell. CBJ does have cap space. If the theme is they need bodies why not let them have both and add Sven too. Maybe they give up a low draft pick too. |
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While he has a crappy attitude and is low effort because he's only getting PK minutes like the OP suggested?
Guys with crappy attitudes can ride the bus in Utica. Almost any bottom 6 player can be a competent penalty killer - RoloTahmasee
Emotionally I would love to see him sent to Utica but to me that just limits the team’s ability to trade him. Likely best to play him, put him in a position to succeed and keep searching for the a trade partner.
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He is absolutely not one of the best PK guys in the NHL man lol. What do you have to support that? - Codes1087
Eriksson is particularly effective on the penalty kill, which plays to his strengths: positioning, reading the play, and moving the puck up ice without worrying about creating a good scoring chance at the other end. In fact, Eriksson isn’t just a good penalty killer: he’s one of the NHL’s best.
Eriksson led all Canucks skaters in the rate of unblocked shot attempts (fenwick) against, scoring chances against, and expected goals against while on the penalty kill. He was second in the rate of actual goals against to Brandon Sutter.
League-wide, Eriksson was 16th in the rate of unblocked shot attempts against, 5th in the rate of expected goals against, and 6th in the rate of goals against. If Eriksson isn’t in the lineup, someone else will have to pick up the slack on the penalty kill.
- Pass it to Bulis
He was poor on the PP, weak at creating offence, but solid at pushing the play in the right direction - he is solid but the cap hit greatly impacts his relative value. |
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Eriksson is particularly effective on the penalty kill, which plays to his strengths: positioning, reading the play, and moving the puck up ice without worrying about creating a good scoring chance at the other end. In fact, Eriksson isn’t just a good penalty killer: he’s one of the NHL’s best.
Eriksson led all Canucks skaters in the rate of unblocked shot attempts (fenwick) against, scoring chances against, and expected goals against while on the penalty kill. He was second in the rate of actual goals against to Brandon Sutter.
League-wide, Eriksson was 16th in the rate of unblocked shot attempts against, 5th in the rate of expected goals against, and 6th in the rate of goals against. If Eriksson isn’t in the lineup, someone else will have to pick up the slack on the penalty kill.
- Pass it to Bulis
He was poor on the PP, weak at creating offence, but solid at pushing the play in the right direction - he is solid but the cap hit greatly impacts his relative value. - CoolerHeads
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I know Pass it to Bulis wrote about this but I don’t believe it for a second. A classic case of stats being useless without old fashioned scouting. I haven’t dug into the data but I’d bet they are lacking context and are too simplistic - CanuckDon
PITB seems pretty tied into the analytics first crowd. At the very least the team could sell it around the league to inflate the “perception of value” haha. Hockey GMs are hockey GMs - hard to pin down rationale on some of the trades they make.
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Codes1087
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Eriksson is particularly effective on the penalty kill, which plays to his strengths: positioning, reading the play, and moving the puck up ice without worrying about creating a good scoring chance at the other end. In fact, Eriksson isn’t just a good penalty killer: he’s one of the NHL’s best.
Eriksson led all Canucks skaters in the rate of unblocked shot attempts (fenwick) against, scoring chances against, and expected goals against while on the penalty kill. He was second in the rate of actual goals against to Brandon Sutter.
League-wide, Eriksson was 16th in the rate of unblocked shot attempts against, 5th in the rate of expected goals against, and 6th in the rate of goals against. If Eriksson isn’t in the lineup, someone else will have to pick up the slack on the penalty kill.
- Pass it to Bulis
He was poor on the PP, weak at creating offence, but solid at pushing the play in the right direction - he is solid but the cap hit greatly impacts his relative value. - CoolerHeads
"Unblocked shot attempts against"...
I'm sorry but this is absolute poop in terms of justifying his success as one of the best in the show as a pker and bullis needs to stfu lol |
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That's not what I said....read more carefully.
I said IF he reports for next season only play him on pk till his attitude changes. Make him earn minutes on a line. - SMBDragon
So, you're saying *IF* he reports, assuming he has a bad attitude (because he would have to change said attitude before you would give him any minutes on a line) then only play him on the PK until implied attitude changes?
So, you are advocating playing a player, with a bad attitude only on the PK, and doing so until his bad attitude changes....
Sounds like a winning strategy
Maybe, you should read what you said
I like mine better sending him and his implied bad attitude to Utica |
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Horse sh!t - CanuckDon
Easy tiger don’t shoot the messenger haha |
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"Unblocked shot attempts against"...
I'm sorry but this is absolute poop in terms of justifying his success as one of the best in the show as a pker and bullis needs to stfu lol - Codes1087
You should see my nearly got laid stats. |
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You should see my nearly got laid stats. - golfingsince
My favorite is the "expected to go all the way stat but disappointingly left with blue balls" stat. |
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My favorite is the "expected to go all the way stat but disappointingly left with blue balls" stat. - Codes1087
Mine is lower than jerked off on her front porch stat. |
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Mine is lower than jerked off on her front porch stat. - golfingsince
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"Unblocked shot attempts against"...
I'm sorry but this is absolute poop in terms of justifying his success as one of the best in the show as a pker and bullis needs to stfu lol - Codes1087
For sure, analytics is what it is - limits and positives included. But not the worst metric. Shows that he limits the number of shots that make it through the defenders (shots on net or that miss the net).
He limited goals against at a high level - at least something the team can sell to inflate value as much as possible |
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So, you're saying *IF* he reports, assuming he has a bad attitude (because he would have to change said attitude before you would give him any minutes on a line) then only play him on the PK until implied attitude changes?
So, you are advocating playing a player, with a bad attitude only on the PK, and doing so until his bad attitude changes....
Sounds like a winning strategy
Maybe, you should read what you said
I like mine better sending him and his implied bad attitude to Utica - RoloTahmasee
Yup. Whoever says he has value then put that to a test on the waiver wire.
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Yup. Whoever says he has value then put that to a test on the waiver wire. - NuckUp
No one taking him at 6 million. His value is half. Take back a 3 million dollar bad contract or retain 50% and get something. |
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No one taking him at 6 million. His value is half. Take back a 3 million dollar bad contract or retain 50% and get something. - manvanfan
Possibility that teams with lots of cap space won't have that issue given that he's owed only $9M of the $18M cap hit. To them actual dollars out matter more. |
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Possibility that teams with lots of cap space won't have that issue given that he's owed only $9M of the $18M cap hit. To them actual dollars out matter more. - NuckUp
Teams with cap space are generally going to use that cap space and ask for something in return. Not really worth it to Van to give up assets right now with other options available. No one team needs to get to the cap floor. Actual dollars would only work if you took back a similar contract only to buy it out. Stuck with a longer term problem potentially. |
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