I'd much rather have a 4th liner with a 4.7 million dollar cap hit compiling 11 points in 89 games over two years.
- PLindbergh31

And would you take two first round picks -- who have become your two top prospects -- along with said 4th liner (who is now off the books) or would you rather have Steen?

And would you take two first round picks -- who have become your two top prospects -- along with said 4th liner (who is now off the books) or would you rather have Steen?
- bmeltzer

You know hes gonna say "i would rather have a cup"

And would you take two first round picks -- who have become your two top prospects -- along with said 4th liner (who is now off the books) or would you rather have Steen?
- bmeltzer

Why do you waste your time responding to him? He’s not worth it.

Anyone who is negative all the time is not worth speaking with.

If you want to state that you don't like the player or don't think he is that good, fine. I can deal with it also but it's not a good reason to lose a young player.
- MJL

love your young player mantra yet you never talk about talented young players. Just "young". when they lose talented young players who can possibly maker a difference then lets talk about how the cap caused them to lose said player.

If Holmgren had problems with those hockey specific issues than he wasn't truly on board with Hextall's plan and vision in my opinion. He also didn't fully take responsibility for how he left the team to Hextall and caved in due to a lack of patience. At that point, Holmgren needed to fully step back and let Hextall do what needed to be done. If Holmgren didn't realize that it took 2-3 years just to turn the team around headed in the right direction then he was out of touch. I agree with what another poster basically said. All of this other stuff is just the excuse they used to go back to the old ways of running the team.

The Flyers were a winning team a lot of years under Holmgren. They were close once but ultimately not good enough. I'm looking for more than that.


I have great admiration, praise and thanks to all that Holmgren has given to the Flyers organization. There was a time when I was fully on board with his methods. Reality is though that it's time for him to step aside. He has lost perspective in my opinion. The only thing scarier is that Scott is basically in charge. He is completely out of touch with the hockey side of things. I like Fletcher and think that he deserves a chance but it is way too soon to give him the keys to the house to the point where he is fully in charge of the hockey side. Scott talks about things are being done collaboratively now. Everyone is in agreement. That's not what you want. You want checks and balances. They need to bring someone in above Fletcher to oversee hockey operations.
- MJL

still butthurt saint ronnie was fired. He failed at the nhl level. Accept it, get over it, and move on

One thing imo with the GM is he seems to overpay a little money wise on each deal. A few hundred k up to 600k will eventually add up. Hayes laughton and raffle should have come in a little lower. Not an issue though lets see what the other 2 get.

I call them the WIP brigade.
- MBFlyerfan

No more than 5.5.
- PLindbergh31

I hope you're right, but I was thinking it would more realistically be in the 6.5-7 realm maybe over 5 years? What do you think TK ends up getting?

Stagy from the Pens was on nhl network. He said he doesn’t think the Pens have any bad contracts, that Tanev is a good contract and just what they needed, the pens will be a contender. I would like to laugh but those guys.

Story he told about tocchet and Kessel, example of their relationship and how without tocchet there was no one there for Phil

Phil and tocchet discussing playing, tocket says you couldn’t play when I played. Phil said o yeah I could. Tocket challenges phil to do 15 pull-ups. Tocket was in a suit, Phil gets the guys together and tocket does 15 in a suit

This was just before game 7 of ECF against the caps, pens won

Always loved tocchet
- wcorvette

Steigy is a clown stooge. But realistically what is he supposed to say.

Pens cap situation is borderline comical.

still butthurt saint ronnie was fired. He failed at the nhl level. Accept it, get over it, and move on
- daryl stanley

Depends on your subjective interpretation of “failed at the nhl level”. Hextall did some very good things at the nhl level, his on-ice product was mediocre at best but I don’t think he was pulling out every stop to be ultra competitive on the ice. He was concentrating on fixing the cap situation, building a prospect pool which was non-existent and building towards the future.

In the right situation I think Hextall will be a very good General Manager if he cleans up his micromanagement ways and learns to manage up as well as down.

I hope you're right, but I was thinking it would more realistically be in the 6.5-7 realm maybe over 5 years? What do you think TK ends up getting?
- iroc4me2

Provy around 6-6.5 per and TK around 5 per. Combined cap around 11.5.

I hope you're right, but I was thinking it would more realistically be in the 6.5-7 realm maybe over 5 years? What do you think TK ends up getting?
- iroc4me2

Provy at 5.5 is a bridge deal so my guess is that would be 2 or 3 years at most.

Happy with the signing, it’s a fair deal for both sides. Re the cap: I think TK ends up getting a 3 year bridge deal and Provy ends up with a long term deal. Cap wise, I think they end up starting the season with 13F, 7D and about 800K of available space.

While this seems a little tight, I expect 2 moves to occur during the season which will free up some more space. First, if none of our D sustain any long term injuries early, I expect Hagg to be dealt by early December. Second, I think Raffl could be replaced by a kid on an ELC by mid season and also dealt by mid January or so.

Also, no matter what happens, I’m more excited about the team heading into s season than I’ve been since the summer of 2011.
- BiggE

Good post

Holmgren was on board with the farm system rebuild. It's something I discussed personally with him several times in conversations at Wells Fargo Center. He enjoys the scouting and development sides. But he also believes in being more aggressive at the NHL level. What he wanted was pretty much along the lines of what Chuck Fletcher has been doing so far.

I def

Here's something that hasn't been widely reported: In 2013, Homer himself said to Ed Snider that they'd gone overboard in trading draft picks and that aspect needed to be reeled in. It was also Homer who took the initial steps toward expanding the developmental coaching side. Ron took those things and ran with him -- doing a really good job with them.

Holmgren was NEVER upset about that part of what Hexy was doing on the hockey side. The hockey-specific issues were other things; player development timetables, getting a little more vet help for the nucleus even if it meant taking on a bit more contract term on their acquisitions, and some internal disagreements within hockey ops that I know about off the record (not via Homer) but cannot publish.

I don't see it as a matter of right vs. wrong because there's more than one way of building a winning team. It's a matter of initial compatibility that turned into incompatibility. No one was totally blameless.
- bmeltzer

I default to your inside info. Think some of us forget you have it.

I understand what this site is for and what EK reports but it kind of strikes me as funny when it's reported that two teams have interest in Rantanen. The other teams don't have any interest?

I understand what this site is for and what EK reports but it kind of strikes me as funny when it's reported that two teams have interest in Rantanen. The other teams don't have any interest?
- MJL

Or that the Avs would trade him hahahaha

VdV was a legit 4th liner during his time with the Flyers. His time ran out.....not hard to comprehend
- KINGKENZO

Chris vandevelde was a legit anything at the nhl level.

I understand what this site is for and what EK reports but it kind of strikes me as funny when it's reported that two teams have interest in Rantanen. The other teams don't have any interest?
- MJL

I actually laughed when I saw this too. It’s funny you brought it up

I understand what this site is for and what EK reports but it kind of strikes me as funny when it's reported that two teams have interest in Rantanen. The other teams don't have any interest?
- MJL

This made me chuckle.

This made me chuckle.
- stayinthefnnet

The Pens were at the top of the list of the the teams not interested!

I understand what this site is for and what EK reports but it kind of strikes me as funny when it's reported that two teams have interest in Rantanen. The other teams don't have any interest?
- MJL

I'm sure every team wants a player of that caliber. However take the Flyers for example. Do you think they would offer up what it would take to get someone like Rantanen?

Like I'm interested in being a full time season ticket holder. But I just can't afford it so I don't bother inquiring more about it.

I'm sure every team wants a player of that caliber. However take the Flyers for example. Do you think they would offer up what it would take to get someone like Rantanen?

Like I'm interested in being a full time season ticket holder. But I just can't afford it so I don't bother inquiring more about it.
- Pelle31Forever

I can't tell you that they could make an offer that Colorado would take but yea, I think they could put an offer together.

still butthurt saint ronnie was fired. He failed at the nhl level. Accept it, get over it, and move on
- daryl stanley

Why are you wrong all the time?

Chris vandevelde was a legit anything at the nhl level.
- SuperSchennBros

its funny to me how a marginally talented, non-factor of a player is the target of so much agnst

He was a guy that played his role and didnt hurt the team

Why are you wrong all the time?
- SuperSchennBros

If I can only be as spot on as you my life would be much better.