I won't lose sleep over them dealing any player. The Flyers drafted and spent considerable time developing Haag into a legitimate NHL defenseman. This team is not in a position where they should entertain losing young players due to cap issues.
- MJL

I wouldn't really call Hagg a legitimate NHL defensemen

I know you and I differ on our evaluations on him but I dont think he brings any positive impact on the team. But i understand and agree with your point about losing young players, in some cases (re:Hagg) it's not a big deal. Just hope it's not a pattern

I wouldn't really call Hagg a legitimate NHL defensemen

I know you and I differ on our evaluations on him but I dont think he brings any positive impact on the team. But i understand and agree with your point about losing young players, in some cases (re:Hagg) it's not a big deal. Just hope it's not a pattern
- bulet13

Well that's absurd considering the player has played 152 NHL games in the last two years.

There have always been fans who are overly negative and who consider anyone who isn’t to be drinkers of orange Kool-Aid. This season however, it seems particularly bad - an all-time level of saltiness and negativity.
- BOSS_TWEED

The hextalites are still very butthurt is why

Well that's absurd considering the player has played 152 NHL games in the last two years.
- MJL

Vandevelde played two seasons for an NHL team. Manning, etc...

Yes by definition he is an NHL player. But by impact...that's a different story

I'm really not here to get into an argument about Hagg. We both feel the same way about the Braun trade and about trading young players as a non cup contender. I just wanted to say if we end up losing Hagg over it, I can deal. If it's some of the other young players I would be more upset

I wouldn't really call Hagg a legitimate NHL defensemen

I know you and I differ on our evaluations on him but I dont think he brings any positive impact on the team. But i understand and agree with your point about losing young players, in some cases (re:Hagg) it's not a big deal. Just hope it's not a pattern
- bulet13

Really? dude?

Serious question, what is the value of a 5-6 D ? Is it a late 1st rounder? Was Hagg a 2nd? My bet is you could get a second and a late round pick for him, from the right team. It is losing on the time they have put into developing him.

They play well this season, the D matures and grows and Hagg is traded, it is probably a sequence of events that works. If they don’t play well and don’t grow, it is a waste of a young asset
- wcorvette

Whay are the chances Hägg Asks for a trade as he has to see the writing on the wall? Threaten to go back to Sweden?

The hextalites are still very butthurt is why
- daryl stanley

IDK. I have seen this building for a few years...long before any thoughts of a GM change. I don’t know what it’s like in Philly, but the reason I came here (the blog) in the first place is so that I don’t ruin what remains of real life relationships due to no longer being able to discuss the Flyers with people that used to be diehard fans.

Really? dude?
- MBFlyerfan

Is Lehtera a legitimate NHL forward? Vandevelde? They have lots of games played.

Just because they're in the NHL doesn't mean they have a positive impact on the team

I wouldn't really call Hagg a legitimate NHL defensemen

I know you and I differ on our evaluations on him but I dont think he brings any positive impact on the team. But i understand and agree with your point about losing young players, in some cases (re:Hagg) it's not a big deal. Just hope it's not a pattern
- bulet13

Yeah I dont see that at all, sorry..

Hagg is a legit 5-6 dman on just about every team in the league.
I dont get that assessment at all.

Is Lehtera a legitimate NHL forward? Vandevelde? They have lots of games played.

Just because they're in the NHL doesn't mean they have a positive impact on the team
- bulet13

Funny how VDV played all those games for the Flyers and hasn’t played an NHL game since. I guarantee Lehtera never steps on the ice in an NHL game again. Because they play lots of games for the Flyers doesn’t mean poop.

I've gotten several on Twitter, and Facebook... but it's generally the same people who complain about literally everything. It gets tiresome.
- bmeltzer

Exactly..

Yeah I dont see that at all, sorry..

Hagg is a legit 5-6 dman on just about every team in the league.
I dont get that assessment at all.
- opeth_pa

I disagree. He has shown nothing to my eyes or to the stats that make me believe he should be given regular ice time. He gives up possession all the time by just slinging the puck around the boards or up and out or ices it. Hes okay in the neutral zone and decent in scrums along the wall but basically useless in the Offenive zone and treats the puck like a grenade. If you're going to be a stay at gome defenseman, you should at least have some luck moving skills

But we're allowed to disagree on players. And I dont want to get into an argument about Hagg because I've made my position clear multiple times and I dont think we will be able to convince the other party of our views so it's kind of pointless. I've stated many times I hope Hagg blossoms and proves me wrong. I just haven't seen it yet and dont think it will happen.

With regard to Hagg and trading him, I think there will be two factors:

1) Will he have more value in a trade before the season starts having been a 3rd pair regular the prior season, or during the season, where he will likely be a fairly consistent healthy scratch? and
2) Will his value in either scenario be greater than the benefit/dilemma of carrying eight defensemen?

If Provorov's and Konecny's deals miraculously come in low enough, there may be an outside chance Hagg could be used in a deal to get a short-term top-9 winger upgrade from a cap-constrained team. While unlikely, you never know.

With regard to Hagg and trading him, I think there will be two factors:

1) Will he have more value in a trade before the season starts having been a 3rd pair regular the prior season, or during the season, where he will likely be a fairly consistent healthy scratch? and
2) Will his value in either scenario be greater than the benefit/dilemma of carrying eight defensemen?

If Provorov's and Konecny's deals miraculously come in low enough, there may be an outside chance Hagg could be used in a deal to get a short-term top-9 winger upgrade from a cap-constrained team. While unlikely, you never know.
- GeorgeBailey

They don't need a top 9 winger. They will block one of the kids.

Funny how VDV played all those games for the Flyers and hasn’t played an NHL game since. I guarantee Lehtera never steps on the ice in an NHL game again. Because they play lots of games for the Flyers doesn’t mean poop.
- PBrendl55

Funny how you compare VDV and Lehtera to Hagg as if that has any relevance.

Ill take a 3rd pair dman who puts up 20 points and plays 82 games every day of the year. Especially at that cap hit.

They don't need a top 9 winger. They will block one of the kids.
- PLindbergh31

Plus they wont get a top 9 winger at around the same cap hit as Hagg. that deal would negate the reason you have to trade Hagg to begin with.

As I said, hopefully IP and TK come in low enough to leave some cap room.

Funny how VDV played all those games for the Flyers and hasn’t played an NHL game since. I guarantee Lehtera never steps on the ice in an NHL game again. Because they play lots of games for the Flyers doesn’t mean poop.
- PLindbergh31

VdV was a legit 4th liner during his time with the Flyers. His time ran out.....not hard to comprehend

Plus they wont get a top 9 winger at around the same cap hit as Hagg. that deal would negate the reason you have to trade Hagg to begin with.

As I said, hopefully IP and TK come in low enough to leave some cap room.
- MBFlyerfan

How does Provorov have any leverage coming off a 25 point season where he was a -16 and turned the puck over all over the ice?

VdV was a legit 4th liner during his time with the Flyers. His time ran out.....not hard to comprehend
- KINGKENZO

His time ran out at 31? Why hasn't he played an NHL game since? Please. Give me a break. If he wasn't playing games for the Flyers he would have been out of the NHL.

Vandevelde played two seasons for an NHL team. Manning, etc...

Yes by definition he is an NHL player. But by impact...that's a different story

I'm really not here to get into an argument about Hagg. We both feel the same way about the Braun trade and about trading young players as a non cup contender. I just wanted to say if we end up losing Hagg over it, I can deal. If it's some of the other young players I would be more upset
- bulet13

If you want to state that you don't like the player or don't think he is that good, fine. I can deal with it also but it's not a good reason to lose a young player.

That’s why you don’t fire Hextall just to try to make a move. Hextall was right. It’s bs that he wasn’t allowed at least a few more seasons to see how he would’ve moved team forward after fixing cap and stock piling all these assets
- SMS4016

Hexy wasn't fired "just to try to make a move." It's already been explained in detail. Things got toxic internally... a breakdown of communication led to breakdowns of trust. Add that to the team not winning, which exacerbated everything by a huge degree, and it became a really bad situation.

I like Hexy personally, and very much respect him and the job he did. He and Sarge did a good job on the drafting side, they expanded their development system infrastructure, added greatly on the sports science side, but Ron had some blind spots when it came to managing up and also in terms of not closing your circle so tightly around you that others felt alienated. He ended up isolating himself by his own volition. When you do that as GM of a bubble playoff team that was not imminently going to take the next organic step, that is very dangerous to one's job status.

Hexy deserves another crack at an NHL GM job, in my opinion. The hurdle he will have to jump is that his next boss is going to want assurances that he won't be an island unto himself (with only 2-3 other people he trusted).

Ron is a smart and introspective guy. I think, as he reflects further, he'll adapt a bit to looking beyond just the top end of hockey ops side and thinking a little more brand-wide along with a little wider circle of trust within hockey ops. He'll have to, because it's a reality of being a GM in today's pro sports world.

With regard to Hagg and trading him, I think there will be two factors:

1) Will he have more value in a trade before the season starts having been a 3rd pair regular the prior season, or during the season, where he will likely be a fairly consistent healthy scratch? and
2) Will his value in either scenario be greater than the benefit/dilemma of carrying eight defensemen?

If Provorov's and Konecny's deals miraculously come in low enough, there may be an outside chance Hagg could be used in a deal to get a short-term top-9 winger upgrade from a cap-constrained team. While unlikely, you never know.
- GeorgeBailey

Now that would be proper use of a player asset in Haag. As long as the player acquired is relatively young. Even then though, they won't have much wiggle room.

His time ran out at 31? Why hasn't he played an NHL game since? Please. Give me a break. If he wasn't playing games for the Flyers he would have been out of the NHL.
- PLindbergh31

Yeah, its a amazing that a 31 year old fourthliner skills have deminished by 31
Youre an idiot hahahahaha[img][/img]

Hexy wasn't fired "just to try to make a move." It's already been explained in detail. The bottom line that things got toxic internally... a breakdown of communication led to breakdowns of trust. Add that to the team not winning, which exacerbated everything by a huge degree, and it became a really bad situation.

I like Hexy personally, and very much respect him and the job he did. He and Sarge did a good job on the drafting side, they expanded their development system infrastructure, added greatly on the sports science side, but Ron had some blind spots when it came to managing up and also in terms of not closing your circle so tightly around you that others felt alienated. He ended up isolating himself by his own volition. When you do that as GM of a bubble playoff team that was not imminently going to take the next organic step, that is very dangerous to one's job status.

Hexy deserves another crack at an NHL GM job, in my opinion. The hurdle he will have to jump is that his next boss is going to want assurances that he won't be an island unto himself (with only 2-3 other people he trusted).

Ron is a smart and introspective guy. I think, as he reflects further, he'll adapt a bit to looking beyond just the top end of hockey ops side and thinking a little more brand-wide along with a little wider circle of trust within hockey ops. He'll have to, because it's a reality of being a GM in today's pro sports world.
- bmeltzer

With all that has been reported, I completely understand why Hextall put himself on that island. Upper level management including Paul Holmgren were obviously resistant to what Hextall wanted to do. In my opinion, Holmgren and Scott were the problem, not Hextall. The more I hear about it, the more it angers me.

Yeah, its a amazing that a 31 year old fourthliner skills have deminished by 31
Youre an idiot hahahahaha
- KINGKENZO[img][/img]

he played 28 NHL games prior and zero games since. He never had NHL ability. Hilarious how you don't get it.