With conditioning levels and trainers training kids from age 6 to be superhumans, we're going to see younger and younger players emerge in the league and put the old "Detroit Model" in the grave. People emerging at 25+ will be the exception and more players will be coming in at 18-21 then ever.

Owners thought that teams would have much more control over RFAs and would be able to get a few more years of lower costs. Problem is that good/great players are going to push for big numbers whether they are RFA or UFA. All teams (at least all teams with good young players) face this. Well managed teams will be able to assess who is worth it and who isn’t.

Marner is one of the best players in the league and wants to be paid for it. Dubas still has considerable leverage. I don’t have a problem with what either side is trying to get. My only problem is with Ferris leaking stuff to Dreger and buddies.
- Canada Cup

this. i really don't care now that bullpoop seems to have stopped...for now.

I haven't seen any others fans whining and hating as much as some leafs fans.
- Fakepartofme

Because the players on their favourite team are going about their business. Unlike the Marner camp that is using it's Muppet to try and build itself a case to be overpaid by millions.

Because the players on their favourite team are going about their business. Unlike the Marner camp that is using it's Muppet to try and build itself a case to be overpaid by millions.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Also Leaf fans have an inner soul rupture.

Because the players on their favourite team are going about their business. Unlike the Marner camp that is using it's Muppet to try and build itself a case to be overpaid by millions.
- GreatGigInTheSky

And it’s not going to work. Their only shot was to try to get an Offer Sheet. I think that’s past. Unless Mitch is prepared to miss games at some point soon they’ll need to sit down and work out a deal.

Because the players on their favourite team are going about their business. Unlike the Marner camp that is using it's Muppet to try and build itself a case to be overpaid by millions.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Ya, but you only believe that is happening, you dont really know that is actually what they are doing.

Gardiner can't be in lineup at any price

Owners thought that teams would have much more control over RFAs and would be able to get a few more years of lower costs. Problem is that good/great players are going to push for big numbers whether they are RFA or UFA. All teams (at least all teams with good young players) face this. Well managed teams will be able to assess who is worth it and who isn’t.

Marner is one of the best players in the league and wants to be paid for it. Dubas still has considerable leverage. I don’t have a problem with what either side is trying to get. My only problem is with Ferris leaking stuff to Dreger and buddies.
- Canada Cup

The agent is an a$$hole for sure, but the real problem is the father. Read a couple of interviews he has given in the past year. He is BH about dozens of things that have conspired to minimize Mitch's earning potential. From the vibe of his conversations he firmly believes Mitch is better than McDavid. He's a problem IMO.

Ya, but you only believe that is happening, you dont really know that is actually what they are doing.
- Fakepartofme

Marner's agent has the same m.o. for all negotiations. Stir up poop publicly.

I can't wait for August and the threat of khl contracts.

Marner's agent has the same m.o. for all negotiations. Stir up poop publicly.

I can't wait for August and the threat of khl contracts.
- Tumbleweed

What other players has he done this for?

Besides, he has all summer.
No rush

And it’s not going to work. Their only shot was to try to get an Offer Sheet. I think that’s past. Unless Mitch is prepared to miss games at some point soon they’ll need to sit down and work out a deal.
- Canada Cup

Yup. Ferris has done it every single time now.

Use his Muppet to try and inflate his client. Threaten to have them go over and play in Europe. Team calls his bluff. Finally sits down to negotiate in good faith, and his client gets much less than they started at.

I wonder how long it'll be before players get tired of Ferris' poop and can his ass.

Ya, but you only believe that is happening, you dont really know that is actually what they are doing.
- Fakepartofme

Oh, yeah. It's truly amazing how the Dreger is so well connected, yet all he says is information on what Marner is up to...

The agent is an a$$hole for sure, but the real problem is the father. Read a couple of interviews he has given in the past year. He is BH about dozens of things that have conspired to minimize Mitch's earning potential. From the vibe of his conversations he firmly believes Mitch is better than McDavid. He's a problem IMO.
- winsix

Yep. Old man marner has little Richard syndrome when it comes to McDavid.

Seems like the dad and agent are bouncing all these 'great' ideas off each other for things to leak publicly. Problem is they are both out of touch with reality and they just look doubly stupid.

Maybe they got a reality check recently....but that would surprise me.

Oh, yeah. It's truly amazing how the Dreger is so well connected, yet all he says is information on what Marner is up to...
- GreatGigInTheSky

Or the cryptic reference to an nhl executive.... nonuts lol

No, it was me.

But that’s a different case. Nylander was lethargic this season and he deserved criticism. Mitch deserves nothing but praise, based on his performance. Also, why I’m adamant about this is because I know what everyone else knows, which is nothing. Everyone is assuming Mitches dad is involved and Ferris is being an a-hole.. but it’s all circumstantial, and basically amounts to slander. If I were Mitch I’d be hurt by the rhetoric coming from so many fans, his video of him wake-skating yesterday is probably just him being like “hey, guys look! I’m still cool! Just gotta get what I deserve.”
- Tanooki

You do realize that Marner is heading down the same path you oh so hate Nylander for?

He could very well not have a contract up until Dec 1st and could very well have a very poop year because of it.

Oh, yeah. It's truly amazing how the Dreger is so well connected, yet all he says is information on what Marner is up to...
- GreatGigInTheSky

So you're getting mad at info dreger is providing?
Lol
Really?
Its dreger....we know hes full of sh!t.

At least i thought we all knew

What other players has he done this for?

Besides, he has all summer.
No rush
- Fakepartofme

Hold my beer

You do realize that Marner is heading down the same path you oh so hate Nylander for?

He could very well not have a contract up until Dec 1st and could very well have a very poop year because of it.
- Santo_44

And NYlander's side didn't leak everything to Darren Dreger.

Yup. Ferris has done it every single time now.

Use his Muppet to try and inflate his client. Threaten to have them go over and play in Europe. Team calls his bluff. Finally sits down to negotiate in good faith, and his client gets much less than they started at.

I wonder how long it'll be before players get tired of Ferris' poop and can his ass.
- GreatGigInTheSky

(frank) b!tch marner🤦‍♂️

what good is a hundered point player who disappears in the playoffs?🤦‍♂️

him and his daddy can take greedy willi and go play in cardiff i don’t give a toss🤦‍♂️

this greedy millennial me first culture has got to change or there never gonna win jack poope🤦‍♂️

I think Duby does not want to sign Mitch to a 5yr deal, that puts all 3 players contracts up at the same time

3, 6 or 8 makes the most sense. and it sounds like Mitchy side does not want long term...so more like 3 years
- senstroll

I'm not a scared about the 3 guys coming free at the same time. Leafs would have tonnes of cap space and the flexibility to do whatever they wanted.

I think Marner gets his 5 yrs or buckles and gives the Leafs a 6th year. 5 x 9'ish or 6 x 9.5. I think the 3 yr is still low on either's list and the 7/8 is likely out of reach bc they don't see eye-to-eye on the value of those UFA years.

See, you THINK I’m mad..

But I’ve been writing like that for a decade, it’s my style.

Once in a while I’ll log off for a few days if i don’t like the convo. But you shouldn’t be taking any credit for anythjng other than crying to a mod.

That doesn’t imply winning, it makes you look desperate, like overusing laughy emoticons.
- Tanooki

You should probably take that as a sign if you are going to write like that. It is immature and ignorant any way you want to put it.

It was a stupid meltdown and you were banned for it. Grow up and take responsibilities for your actions.

And win? This isn’t a game

You do realize that Marner is heading down the same path you oh so hate Nylander for?

He could very well not have a contract up until Dec 1st and could very well have a very poop year because of it.
- Santo_44

dont think that can happen this time, the Leafs had the cap space to do that last year (10+ cap hit for Willie)

so I assume it would be the same, except much higher cap hit for Marner if he signed for 10+ in November

And NYlander's side didn't leak everything to Darren Dreger.
- RogerRoeper

Nylander is greedy and poop because of his contract situation.

But Marner is a saint. He deserves to be overpaid.

I know his family is a little over the top and that’s a fact. I don’t think he deserves to be overpaid at 11 million and if that’s what he truly wants he is not getting it with the Leafs.

Gardiner can't be in lineup at any price
- moe64

He could do a Lebanc...

dont think that can happen this time, the Leafs had the cap space to do that last year (10+ cap hit for Willie)

so I assume it would be the same, except much higher cap hit for Marner if he signed for 10+ in November
- senstroll

That’s true.

I feel a trade is more likely than that route then.