I think his numbers stack up well against SS. Malkin outpaced them both but his first 3 yrs were yrs 3-5 post draft as opposed to SS and AM entering the league right away. Tough to compare but I think Matthews side succeeded in arguing that he's closer to Malkin then he was Stamkos.
- The Law

SS and AM are mostly scorers and a closer comparable ( again JMO). We'll see if AM scores as much as SS in his career. It will be tough, but it is doable for AM.

Year 4 Stammer scores 60.

Ok, but precedent is how these things work. They don't just make poop up out of thin air.
- The Law

Its 4 years ago.
Means NOTHING now.
sorry.

I'm not arguing against MM or his value. I just think some of the "guesses" are way out of whack with anything that's ever been done in the NHL.

Maybe Marner establishes some new norm but it's never happened before.
- The Law

Some of the guesses are complete BS.
the best comparable is now Aho and Marner is better than him.
3 milly better?
No
About 1 - .4 milly better I would guess.

Ok, but precedent is how these things work. They don't just make poop up out of thin air.
- The Law

Ek does.

no way can they give him that..or will they ..Aho just signed for a lot less

thats dumb
- senstroll

It may be what it is...9.5 to 9.8 over 3 - 5 years.
MArner is better than AHo.

Again, context.

Meier at 6 for only RFA years. He didn't give up any UFA years. 6 was about right.

Labanc is (frank)ed ....not sure why that happened but I think we're all guessing that next summer he'll be given a big (frank)ing kiss by the Sharks.

Aho is NOT team friendly. 8.5 on a 5 yr puts him ahead of Getzlaf and Perry and almost on par with Kane and Toews on their post-ELC deals.
- The Law

Omg.....who cares about what Getz, Perry and Toews signed for years and years ago.
Its a different landscape now...they arent comparables.

Some of the guesses are complete BS.
the best comparable is now Aho and Marner is better than him.
3 milly better?
No
About 1 - .4 milly better I would guess.
- Fakepartofme

That best comparable plays center tho... and scores more goals...

Aho is pretty team friendly. A PPG guy for the next 5 years at 8.5 is great in this climate.
- AdamFrench

Who's done better on a 5 yr deal?

Toews, Kane, Matthews, STamkos, Crosby and Malkin ...

He got more than Getzlaf and Perry.

The fact that he signed it with another team ...

I think it's a good deal for both sides. I wouldn't call it team friendly though.

Its 4 years ago.
Means NOTHING now.
sorry.
- Fakepartofme

You can say that all you like but it's not the way things work.

That best comparable plays center tho... and scores more goals...
- poopstash

Over his career he's scored a whole 16 goals more.
Marner has more points and higher PPG.

You can say that all you like but it's not the way things work.
- The Law

Its exactly how things work.
No agent or team would compare a player today coming off his ELC to a player coming off his ELC 4 - 5 years ago.
Different times.

But believe what want. Its all good.

Who's done better on a 5 yr deal?

Toews, Kane, Matthews, STamkos, Crosby and Malkin ...

He got more than Getzlaf and Perry.

The fact that he signed it with another team ...

I think it's a good deal for both sides. I wouldn't call it team friendly though.
- The Law

Its less than the team thought they were gonna have to pay.

Its friendly.

Over his career he's scored a whole 16 goals more.
Marner has more points and higher PPG.
- Fakepartofme

Well, we'll have to wait and see I guess.

I'll be pretty pissed if he signs for what you are suggesting.

Omg.....who cares about what Getz, Perry and Toews signed for years and years ago.
Its a different landscape now...they arent comparables.
- Fakepartofme

You need to do some homework.

Those deals given so long ago are actually what today's players are arguing FOR.

Those deals were the highlight of the NHLPA. The contracts have actually gotten smaller over time (as a percentage of Cap).

This group of RFA's is looking to get back to those better deals. And yes teams and agents reference whatever the contracts that best flatter their clients negotiations.

It may be what it is...9.5 to 9.8 over 3 - 5 years.
MArner is better than AHo.
- Fakepartofme

Is he better then Aho? Pretty debatable. Both are great players

Its exactly how things work.
No agent or team would compare a player today coming off his ELC to a player coming off his ELC 4 - 5 years ago.
Different times.

But believe what want. Its all good.
- Fakepartofme

I believe the appropriate HB response is "oh".

Its less than the team thought they were gonna have to pay.

Its friendly.
- Fakepartofme

Lol ...ya, on a longer term deal.

It may be what it is...9.5 to 9.8 over 3 - 5 years.
MArner is better than AHo.
- Fakepartofme

maybe just slightly and with some Leaf fan Bias

But its not by much. also Aho is a C

Well, we'll have to wait and see I guess.

I'll be pretty pissed if he signs for what you are suggesting.
- poopstash

Again, its not ideal. But i believe he'll get more than aho.
But id be up for less.

Is he better then Aho? Pretty debatable. Both are great players
- ClarksonDavid

A little better.
Not a lot.

Its exactly how things work.
No agent or team would compare a player today coming off his ELC to a player coming off his ELC 4 - 5 years ago.
Different times.

But believe what want. Its all good.
- Fakepartofme

you compare them as a % of the cap

its not exact..but its a starting point

Meh matthews got 11.5 for 5 years.
That aint good.
But it is what it is.
- Fakepartofme

I get that.
But 11.5 for a 70pt center?
Hes great, love him.

But the contract....meh.
- Fakepartofme

Point a game, best even strength goal scoring centre.

two words:



Ryan
Poehling
- MaximusAurelius

You need to do some homework.

Those deals given so long ago are actually what today's players are arguing FOR.

Those deals were the highlight of the NHLPA. The contracts have actually gotten smaller over time (as a percentage of Cap).

This group of RFA's is looking to get back to those better deals. And yes teams and agents reference whatever the contracts that best flatter their clients negotiations.
- The Law

They want shorter deals because of what they believe will be more cash in the system coming up soon.
After Seattle joins
New cba
New tv deal.
Once all that occurs, youll probably see a short trend towards longer deals unless the new cba only allows up to 5 years.