The reality is Leafs don't want him to sign now. They want Rantanen and/or Point signed first.
- RogerRoeper

Point will be next imo

If he does.
He will be dead to me
But its only July.
So no big deal or rush.
- Fakepartofme

I could swear you said the exact same thing about Nylander last year.

AM and JT signed deals worth about 27% of the Cap.
Sid and Gino signed deals worth about 31% of the Cap ...then won 3 Cups.
- The Law

hey stop putting facts in the way of his trolling

I could swear you said the exact same thing about Nylander last year.
- Scabeh

Lol
I somewhat did.
I gave willie the summer to sign.

Everyone will love Willy next year when he dominates.

It would be glorious.
- Scabeh

Having Mitch at 7.9 mil a year after his 15mil cap hit this year would indeed be glorious going forward

Doesn't matter now. EK just said that the Leafs set a deadline for the end of July.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Not to give any credence to EK ...but,

If you're Dubas and you know you can't sign MM too late into the season (cap reasons) you've got to set a deadline.

I would have given the negotiations a July 1 deadline and told Ferris that after July 1 I'd be on the phone gauging interest in MM while still working with them on a new deal. If no deal is made by July 31 and an acceptable trade is on the table ....I'll have to press go.

Everyone will love Willy next year when he dominates.
- RogerRoeper

Oh.

Ok.

Well lets hope so.

Having Mitch at 7.9 mil a year after his 15mil cap hit this year would indeed be glorious going forward
- AdamFrench

Yes, that's exactly what I meant.

Not to give any credence to EK ...but,

If you're Dubas and you know you can't sign MM too late into the season (cap reasons) you've got to set a deadline.

I would have given the negotiations a July 1 deadline and told Ferris that after July 1 I'd be on the phone gauging interest in MM while still working with them on a new deal. If no deal is made by July 31 and an acceptable trade is on the table ....I'll have to press go.
- The Law

Why?
Whats the rush?
Once july 3rd passed, its now in the best interest of the leafs to wait and hope other rfas sign.

Yes, that's exactly what I meant.
- Scabeh

Indubastably.

This is annoying

https://theathletic.com/1...best-contracts-in-hockey/

Boston has the top 2 value contract in the League

this is nuts

1. David Pastrnak, BOS
Contract: $6.67M x four years
Surplus Value: +$35.3M
Positive Value Probability: 98.4%

Pasta worth double his actual contract

This is annoying

https://theathletic.com/1...best-contracts-in-hockey/

Boston has the top 2 value contract in the League

this is nuts



Pasta worth double his actual contract
- senstroll

The thing is, Pasta's deal was not a steal when eh signed it. It's all about how they perform after. Same with Kadri and Rielly's deals. No one thought they were steals the day they signed it.

Not to give any credence to EK ...but,

If you're Dubas and you know you can't sign MM too late into the season (cap reasons) you've got to set a deadline.

I would have given the negotiations a July 1 deadline and told Ferris that after July 1 I'd be on the phone gauging interest in MM while still working with them on a new deal. If no deal is made by July 31 and an acceptable trade is on the table ....I'll have to press go.
- The Law

absolutely no rush to do anything on Dubas' part at this point. Aho actually received and offer sheet, which pretty clearly his Agent sought out from Montreal (nice move btw).... Montreal helped Aho out by getting him the $$ he wanted and term.

so far, none of Dreger's slew of offer sheets for Marner have materialized... meaning that no one is willing to pay north of 10.5( or whatever the 4 1st threshold is) for Marner.

Dubas is now in the driver seat. He cleared CAP to sign Marner, made it clear that he would match up the 4 1st threshold...

He (Dubas) doesn't need to do anything right now. Pretty obvious that Marner's agent would have sought out offer sheets if they were to be had.

All Dubas has to do now is put an offer on the table 6 years (or more) 9.5 (kucherov money) with a term that ends past Matthews contract. Sign it before camp - or don't come to camp. The fall back then is a Nylander style contract signed late November which lowers the longer term CAP hit.

Unless an offer sheet emerges - between 9.5 and 10.5 - in the next 6 - 7 weeks - nothing for Dubas to do.

Marner on the other hand, should be contacting Aho's agent.

This is annoying

https://theathletic.com/1...best-contracts-in-hockey/

Boston has the top 2 value contract in the League

this is nuts



Pasta worth double his actual contract
- senstroll

Aside from Krejci (and Backes/Moore obvs), they have fantastic deals for the most part. Chara at 2mil when they trott that caveman out for 25 minutes a night still is filthy. Bergeron/Marchand/Pasta all "underpaid"

Why?
Whats the rush?
Once july 3rd passed, its now in the best interest of the leafs to wait and hope other rfas sign.
- Fakepartofme

exactly... Dubas should do nothing right now.

Why?
Whats the rush?
Once july 3rd passed, its now in the best interest of the leafs to wait and hope other rfas sign.
- Fakepartofme

100%. Leafs gopt a huge break with gthe Aho offersheet,. wait on other RFAs to sign. None will get 10 million+

Why?
Whats the rush?
Once july 3rd passed, its now in the best interest of the leafs to wait and hope other rfas sign.
- Fakepartofme

Dubas is the only one dealing with a "can't sign him in the season" deadline. So if you know you need him signed or moved by early October then you need time to work out a deal.

Aside from Krejci (and Backes/Moore obvs), they have fantastic deals for the most part. Chara at 2mil when they trott that caveman out for 25 minutes a night still is filthy. Bergeron/Marchand/Pasta all "underpaid"
- AdamFrench

I hate Boston

absolutely no rush to do anything on Dubas' part at this point. Aho actually received and offer sheet, which pretty clearly his Agent sought out from Montreal (nice move btw).... Montreal helped Aho out by getting him the $$ he wanted and term.

so far, none of Dreger's slew of offer sheets for Marner have materialized... meaning that no one is willing to pay north of 10.5( or whatever the 4 1st threshold is) for Marner.

Dubas is now in the driver seat. He cleared CAP to sign Marner, made it clear that he would match up the 4 1st threshold...

He (Dubas) doesn't need to do anything right now. Pretty obvious that Marner's agent would have sought out offer sheets if they were to be had.

All Dubas has to do now is put an offer on the table 6 years (or more) 9.5 (kucherov money) with a term that ends past Matthews contract. Sign it before camp - or don't come to camp. The fall back then is a Nylander style contract signed late November which lowers the longer term CAP hit.

Unless an offer sheet emerges - between 9.5 and 10.5 - in the next 6 - 7 weeks - nothing for Dubas to do.

Marner on the other hand, should be contacting Aho's agent.
- BorjeFan4Ever

This part is flawed ....ruins the rest of your points.

Players have agents to negotiate with management. I get that.

But if I'm Mitch and my agent and management don't have it done by now,
I do one of two things depending on what I want....

1. If I want the biggest dough possible I let my agent handle all of it.
2. If I want to play for the Leafs, at some point I get involved to just (frank)ing get it done.

Who the (frank) doesn't get involved about their own future?

100%. Leafs gopt a huge break with gthe Aho offersheet,. wait on other RFAs to sign. None will get 10 million+
- RogerRoeper

What if they don't sign by Sept 1, Sept 15, Oct 1st?

Dubas isn't under pressure to do anything but he should be prepared to make a trade if needed. And according to the Capologists signing MM after October 1 makes for some tricky (maybe impossible) cap issues in yr 1.

My only point is that it would make sense for Dubas to put a deadline on MM after which he'd start sniffing around for offers.

Players have agents to negotiate with management. I get that.

But if I'm Mitch and my agent and management don't have it done by now,
I do one of two things depending on what I want....

1. If I want the biggest dough possible I let my agent handle all of it.
2. If I want to play for the Leafs, at some point I get involved to just (frank)ing get it done.

Who the (frank) doesn't get involved about their own future?


- .HOHO.

Players have agents to negotiate with management. I get that.

But if I'm Mitch and my agent and management don't have it done by now,
I do one of two things depending on what I want....

1. If I want the biggest dough possible I let my agent handle all of it.
2. If I want to play for the Leafs, at some point I get involved to just (frank)ing get it done.

Who the (frank) doesn't get involved about their own future?


- .HOHO.

Does it count that I let Ms. Law do the groceries?

This part is flawed ....ruins the rest of your points.
- The Law

"Contacting Aho's agent" is flawed.

Marner's camp has numbers they are looking for, short term or long term.

A team making an offersheet has to come in at one of those terms/dollars, AND they have to be beating the Leafs offers at those terms/dollars, by enough that the Leafs won't match.

I doubt any team is paying big bucks for short term and giving up huge compensation. Is anyone really paying him McDavid money?

Marner is not signing something under 10.6 ... because he can get that from the Leafs anyway. Which is why we keep coming back to 10.5

I am betting Marner signs for 4 years 10.5.