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21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Jul 9 @ 7:05 AM ET

- Steven_Seagull

ready to go full AA?
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 9 @ 7:12 AM ET
That'd be a serious waste of money.
- JohnFergusonJr



Didn't you just say you hated it cause he's a rental, but if they sign him it's a waste of money?

Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jul 9 @ 7:16 AM ET
1) The Cap barely went up this year. You cant rely on that

2) Tyler Myers is getting 6 Mill per season as a 2nd pair Dmen. That is the market price now. Who do you realistically think you are getting to replace Muzzin and Ceci and not downgrade the D?

3) Dermott is going to want a hefty raise as well.

4) Leafs have 26 mill in cap space next year WITHOUT factoring in Marner. In reality, if he gets 10 mill.

26 mill - 10 mill = 16 mill

Horton is taken off the books 16 + 5.3 = 21.3

Barrie gets 8 Mill 21.3 - 8 = 13.3

You now have 13 mill to split between 2 Top 4 Dmen, 2 Bottom pair Dmen, A backup goalie, 2 4th line forwards and a reserve forward and D.

5) Yes the cap COULD go up but as the cap goes up so do contract prices. Jake Muzzin at 4 mill is a steal right now. Look at the deals signed by Crosby compared to guys now. You got a guy like Panarin making 12+ million. Thats 3 mill more than Crosby and Panarin is a top player but he is not in the same league as guys like Crosby and Ovechkin.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

My groin is all tingly from this.

Haterz rejoiced at the fact that Toronto was not going to be able to keep all it's young guns. July 1st, 2019 was going to be the day of reckoning.

CAP HELL!

OFFER SHEETS!

BLOW IT UP!

And now that none of it has happened, do these tiny richards come on here to post a mea culpa or two?

No. It's the second franking week of July, and they are already posting the exact same poop about next year.

Why this weird, unhealthy obsession with the Leafs?

Franking sad.

Franking hilarious.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 9 @ 7:17 AM ET
you are right - Dubas is 'just ok'.
I don't think 'just ok' is good enough for the Leafs though.
They need to go for one of the best.
What Dubas is really good at is communicating though - that's why a lot of people like him that much; he's a good interviewee and expresses himself nicely. People confuse message with content, and think he's a 'genius'.

- MaximusAurelius



gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Jul 9 @ 7:18 AM ET
you are right - Dubas is 'just ok'.
I don't think 'just ok' is good enough for the Leafs though.
They need to go for one of the best.
What Dubas is really good at is communicating though - that's why a lot of people like him that much; he's a good interviewee and expresses himself nicely. People confuse message with content, and think he's a 'genius'.

- MaximusAurelius

MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Jul 9 @ 7:23 AM ET

- burn


just because you don't have your opinion doesn't mean you should laugh about others that have one.
why don't you go and wait for 4 hrs to get some 18year old's authograph?
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 9 @ 7:27 AM ET
just because you don't have your opinion doesn't mean you should laugh about others that have one.
why don't you go and wait for 4 hrs to get some 18year old's authograph?

- MaximusAurelius



I don't have an opinion?

When someone goes in circles and makes a fool of themselves, yeah you laugh. What other choice do you have. Often think your posts are shtick and you're actually looking for a laugh.


What the (frank) are you even talking about here? When has that ever happened? Sounds like jealousy...
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 9 @ 7:29 AM ET
you are right - Dubas is 'just ok'.
I don't think 'just ok' is good enough for the Leafs though.
They need to go for one of the best.
What Dubas is really good at is communicating though - that's why a lot of people like him that much; he's a good interviewee and expresses himself nicely. People confuse message with content, and think he's a 'genius'.

- MaximusAurelius


Dubas' long term success will be measured by his bold stroke in signing of Tavares. This will be the critical year. The second guessers will start chattering if the defence comes up short again and the Leafs struggle in their own end. I expect for the Leafs to start the season strong. But, let's see what comes in the second half of the season and in the playoffs.

Almost certain the Leafs will face Tampa or Boston in the first round of playoffs. Does anybody expect outcomes to be any different based on the look of the Leafs' defensive corps?
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 9 @ 7:32 AM ET
My groin is all tingly from this.

Haterz rejoiced at the fact that Toronto was not going to be able to keep all it's young guns. July 1st, 2019 was going to be the day of reckoning.

CAP HELL!

OFFER SHEETS!

BLOW IT UP!

And now that none of it has happened, do these tiny richards come on here to post a mea culpa or two?

No. It's the second franking week of July, and they are already posting the exact same poop about next year.

Why this weird, unhealthy obsession with the Leafs?

Franking sad.

Franking hilarious.

- Atomic Wedgie


Any idea what Philly's cap situation is or their FA situation?

Yeah, neither do I, because I couldn't give a poop about the team or the city.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 9 @ 7:34 AM ET
Dubas' long term success will be measured by his bold stroke in signing of Tavares. This will be the critical year. The second guessers will start chattering if the defence comes up short again and the Leafs struggle in their own end. I expect for the Leafs to start the season strong. But, let's see what comes in the second half of the season and in the playoffs.

Almost certain the Leafs will face Tampa or Boston in the first round of playoffs. Does anybody expect outcomes to be any different based on the look of the Leafs' defensive corps?

- spatso



Can't judge dubas on Tavares, because he had nothing to do with him signing here. He was coming here no matter what.


Do we expect any difference than Tampa losing in the first round or Toronto taking a lead in game 6 when they could have eliminated Boston?
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Jul 9 @ 7:35 AM ET
Dubas' long term success will be measured by his bold stroke in signing of Tavares. This will be the critical year. The second guessers will start chattering if the defence comes up short again and the Leafs struggle in their own end. I expect for the Leafs to start the season strong. But, let's see what comes in the second half of the season and in the playoffs.

Almost certain the Leafs will face Tampa or Boston in the first round of playoffs. Does anybody expect outcomes to be any different based on the look of the Leafs' defensive corps?

- spatso


0 bold.
any GM would have done this - it was the most straight forward and easy move to make for the Leafs in last 20 years.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 9 @ 7:38 AM ET
0 bold.
any GM would have done this - it was the most straight forward and easy move to make for the Leafs in last 20 years.

- MaximusAurelius



Boom.
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Jul 9 @ 7:44 AM ET
Pietrangelo won the Cup as the #1 D and only scored 41 so it's nice but playing defense should be the priority.
- JohnFergusonJr


You don't really watch much hockey nowadays, do you?
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jul 9 @ 7:46 AM ET
just because you don't have your opinion doesn't mean you should laugh about others that have one.
why don't you go and wait for 4 hrs to get some 18year old's authograph?

- MaximusAurelius


You are talking about an 18 year old all summer.

There is no difference.
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Jul 9 @ 7:47 AM ET
My groin is all tingly from this.

Haterz rejoiced at the fact that Toronto was not going to be able to keep all it's young guns. July 1st, 2019 was going to be the day of reckoning.

CAP HELL!

OFFER SHEETS!

BLOW IT UP!

And now that none of it has happened, do these tiny richards come on here to post a mea culpa or two?

No. It's the second franking week of July, and they are already posting the exact same poop about next year.

Why this weird, unhealthy obsession with the Leafs?

Franking sad.

Franking hilarious.

- Atomic Wedgie

To be fair, your 3/ 2C center was traded... And Marner isn't quite signed yet...

That being said, you are right about people who made any predictions of cap hell then not posting a mea culpa.

It isn't as bad as was predicted by many.
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Jul 9 @ 7:49 AM ET
To be fair, your 3/ 2C center was traded... And Marner isn't quite signed yet...

That being said, you are right about people who made any predictions of cap hell then not posting a mea culpa.

It isn't as bad as was predicted by many.

- kaptaan


Meyers is going to be your Zaitsev in a year or two. Awful term for a mediocre defenseman on a rebuilding team.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 9 @ 7:50 AM ET
To be fair, your 3/ 2C center was traded... And Marner isn't quite signed yet...

That being said, you are right about people who made any predictions of cap hell then not posting a mea culpa.

It isn't as bad as was predicted by many.

- kaptaan



To be fair, we got a 60pt rhd and a center who put up similar number as kadri last year.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jul 9 @ 7:50 AM ET
To be fair, your 3/ 2C center was traded... And Marner isn't quite signed yet...

That being said, you are right about people who made any predictions of cap hell then not posting a mea culpa.

It isn't as bad as was predicted by many.

- kaptaan

Shall I consider this your mea culpa?

Why are you so obsessed with the Leafs?

It's franking weird.

And sad.

It's what trolls like you don't understand: at the end of the day, we are all laughing at you.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Jul 9 @ 7:55 AM ET
1) The Cap barely went up this year. You cant rely on that

2) Tyler Myers is getting 6 Mill per season as a 2nd pair Dmen. That is the market price now. Who do you realistically think you are getting to replace Muzzin and Ceci and not downgrade the D?

3) Dermott is going to want a hefty raise as well.

4) Leafs have 26 mill in cap space next year WITHOUT factoring in Marner. In reality, if he gets 10 mill.

26 mill - 10 mill = 16 mill

Horton is taken off the books 16 + 5.3 = 21.3

Barrie gets 8 Mill 21.3 - 8 = 13.3

You now have 13 mill to split between 2 Top 4 Dmen, 2 Bottom pair Dmen, A backup goalie, 2 4th line forwards and a reserve forward and D.

5) Yes the cap COULD go up but as the cap goes up so do contract prices. Jake Muzzin at 4 mill is a steal right now. Look at the deals signed by Crosby compared to guys now. You got a guy like Panarin making 12+ million. Thats 3 mill more than Crosby and Panarin is a top player but he is not in the same league as guys like Crosby and Ovechkin.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


(frank) me ...cap friendly may be the worst thing to ever happen. Every idiot with a computer thinks they're a cap nerd now.
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Jul 9 @ 8:02 AM ET
(frank) me ...cap friendly may be the worst thing to ever happen. Every idiot with a computer thinks they're a cap nerd now.
- The Law


people think they're cap specialists - so they can actually avoid to talk which players are good and bad.. (ceci; nylander; sparks; etc. are examples - 'his contract will look great in 3 years from now!!')
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Jul 9 @ 8:03 AM ET
people think they're cap specialists - so they can actually avoid to talk which players are good and bad.. (ceci; nylander; sparks; etc. are examples - 'his contract will look great in 3 years from now!!')
- MaximusAurelius


You're obsession with Nylander is just as bad.

What if he puts up 70 points this year? And next year 75? Are you still going to complain about how we haven't traded him yet?
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Planet of the Leafs, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Jul 9 @ 8:04 AM ET
Dubas' long term success will be measured by his bold stroke in signing of Tavares. This will be the critical year. The second guessers will start chattering if the defence comes up short again and the Leafs struggle in their own end. I expect for the Leafs to start the season strong. But, let's see what comes in the second half of the season and in the playoffs.

Almost certain the Leafs will face Tampa or Boston in the first round of playoffs. Does anybody expect outcomes to be any different based on the look of the Leafs' defensive corps?

- spatso

Summer talk...
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 9 @ 8:06 AM ET
people think they're cap specialists - so they can actually avoid to talk which players are good and bad.. (ceci; nylander; sparks; etc. are examples - 'his contract will look great in 3 years from now!!')
- MaximusAurelius



who said sparks and ceci will look good in 3 years.

Nylander deal looks good NOW.

What the (frank)
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Jul 9 @ 8:07 AM ET
people think they're cap specialists - so they can actually avoid to talk which players are good and bad.. (ceci; nylander; sparks; etc. are examples - 'his contract will look great in 3 years from now!!')
- MaximusAurelius


The sky is blue ...


"People just say the sky is blue bc they want to defend Nylander's contract"
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 9 @ 8:08 AM ET
Summer talk...
- Zezel



Have to at least concider it.
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