The GM of my current office does that. The result is the two managers under her trying to freeze her out on a day to day basis and not let her know anything about what’s going on lest she insert herself and ruin business by micromanaging everything to hell. As a lower level grunt it’s actually kinda funny to observe.

EDIT: that was in response to Burgh4Life

Doubtful
- Feds91Stammer

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Well I work in residential construction. Used to do it on my own, but had an offer that was good so I took it. Nice collecting a steady paycheck and not chasing work all the time. I’m in charge when my boss isn’t around, which is most of the time and me and the 4-5 guys I work with seem to get poop done and make the business successful. I attribute it more to the fact that no one acts like a Kessel than my ability to communicate.

So I guess Sullivan is suppose to address the team in the corner at practice, then go ask phil who’s shooting pucks at the other end if he can please speak to him? Get the f uck our if here with that soft ass poop.
- Grinder47

Or, maybe, if Sullivan's message is getting lost on a certain players they should find out why? Not everyone take to instruction the same. There is nothing soft about being a flexible leader. Seems to me all of this is too complex for your extremely tough manly brain to comprehend.

Or, maybe, if Sullivan's message is getting lost on a certain players they should find out why? Not everyone take to instruction the same. There is nothing soft about being a flexible leader. Seems to me all of this is too complex for your extremely tough manly brain to comprehend.
- burgh4life87

You mean to tell me on top of people having different personalities they also have different motivations and buttons to push?

Or, maybe, if Sullivan's message is getting lost on a certain players they should find out why? Not everyone take to instruction the same. There is nothing soft about being a flexible leader. Seems to me all of this is too complex for your extremely tough manly brain to comprehend.
- burgh4life87

I think it went well beyond that with Kessel. This wasn't a case of a guy struggling to adapt or to understand

He wanted to do things his way and thought the rules shouldn't apply to him. Those guys have to go. They are a Cancer

There is a minimum standard of compliance to any workplace. The finer details beyond that minimum can be ironed out in 1 on 1 meetings/conversations. It is on the player/employee to conscribe to that minimum

The GM of my current office does that. The result is the two managers under her trying to freeze her out on a day to day basis and not let her know anything about what’s going on lest she insert herself and ruin business by micromanaging everything to hell. As a lower level grunt it’s actually kinda funny to observe.

EDIT: that was in response to Burgh4Life
- Victoro311

When I worked for a defense firm I did a lot of trial work, including managing the ediscovery and exhibits. When you have 2 to 4 attorneys, all different age, gender, thought process different, and you are trying to manage a single approach to the trial, poop hits the fan quick if you alienate ideas. Unless you take the time to understand the team you are working with and how they fit together, you will be running in circles for weeks.

Or, maybe, if Sullivan's message is getting lost on a certain players they should find out why? Not everyone take to instruction the same. There is nothing soft about being a flexible leader. Seems to me all of this is too complex for your extremely tough manly brain to comprehend.
- burgh4life87

They knew the reason why. Same reason 3 other teams decided best to just trade Kessel. It’s not complex. Cut off the finger to save the hand.

You mean to tell me on top of people having different personalities they also have different motivations and buttons to push?
- Feds91Stammer

These are professionals, not children

These are professionals, not children
- RoloTahmasee

Oh damn I thought we were talking about peewee hockey

I think it went well beyond that with Kessel. This wasn't a case of a guy struggling to adapt or to understand

He wanted to do things his way and thought the rules shouldn't apply to him. Those guys have to go. They are a Cancer

There is a minimum standard of compliance to any workplace. The finer details beyond that minimum can be ironed out in 1 on 1 meetings/conversations. It is on the player/employee to conscribe to that minimum
- RoloTahmasee

I would say not shooting pucks at the opposite end of the rink while the coach addresses the team falls under those standards. But hey this is a very complex case, a lot of ins, a lot of outs.

These are professionals, not children
- RoloTahmasee

They are also people, not robots.

When I worked for a defense firm I did a lot of trial work, including managing the ediscovery and exhibits. When you have 2 to 4 attorneys, all different age, gender, thought process different, and you are trying to manage a single approach to the trial, poop hits the fan quick if you alienate ideas. Unless you take the time to understand the team you are working with and how they fit together, you will be running in circles for weeks.
- burgh4life87

So, by your example, This would be Sullivan in a practice

"Hey guys, I know I've been on the whiteboard for a while exploring strategy and adjustments, planning breakout drills, etc, but lets all take a page from Phil's book and just F around for the next 30 minutes and do whatever you want. Everyone to the corners and just flip pucks at the glass.... Do whatever you feel like for the rest of the practice, and feel free to do it in games too...."

"What do you think Phil?, Lets do it Phil's way from now on"

They are also people, not robots.
- burgh4life87

It’s also hockey. God forbid a player follows a coaches instructions.

So, by your example, This would be Sullivan in a practice

"Hey guys, I know I've been on the whiteboard for a while exploring strategy and adjustments, planning breakout drills, etc, but lets all take a page from Phil's book and just F around for the next 30 minutes and do whatever you want. Everyone to the corners and just flip pucks at the glass.... Do whatever you feel like for the rest of the practice, and feel free to do it in games too...."

"What do you think Phil, Lets do it Phil's way from now on"
- RoloTahmasee

You guys amaze me lmao

It’s also hockey. God forbid a player follows a coaches instructions.
- Grinder47

It’s also basic human psychology. God forbid someone treats you like a person.

When I worked for a defense firm I did a lot of trial work, including managing the ediscovery and exhibits. When you have 2 to 4 attorneys, all different age, gender, thought process different, and you are trying to manage a single approach to the trial, poop hits the fan quick if you alienate ideas. Unless you take the time to understand the team you are working with and how they fit together, you will be running in circles for weeks.
- burgh4life87

Dude it’s hockey, they are all hockey players who have Been hockey players they’re whole life. Never had a job except to play hockey. It’s Kessel, not Sullivan, not Rutherford, Kessel is the problem.

Montreal tried to offer sheet Point and he turned them down

It’s almost like people have different personalities that require a manager to treat them each differently just like they would in any job setting.
- Feds91Stammer

“I just do what I kind of do. I don’t necessarily change my game ever,” Kessel said. “I just go out there and play my game, and hopefully I can produce points and score goals and help the team win. That’s basically it. I don’t think I really need to change for anything and just keep on doing my thing, I guess.”

How exactly do you manage an attitude like that. Guy forced a trade to Arizona because the coach treats him like a buddy.

https://arizonasports-com...ng-with-scoring-threat%2F

Dude it’s hockey, they are all hockey players who have Been hockey players they’re whole life. Never had a job except to play hockey. It’s Kessel, not Sullivan, not Rutherford, Kessel is the problem.
- Grinder47

"This is just like any other job. You don't listen to the boss, you get canned." -Grinder

"This is (frank)ing hockey. Real world comparisons to an office setting aren't applicable." -also Grinder

So, by your example, This would be Sullivan in a practice

"Hey guys, I know I've been on the whiteboard for a while exploring strategy and adjustments, planning breakout drills, etc, but lets all take a page from Phil's book and just F around for the next 30 minutes and do whatever you want. Everyone to the corners and just flip pucks at the glass.... Do whatever you feel like for the rest of the practice, and feel free to do it in games too...."

"What do you think Phil?, Lets do it Phil's way from now on"
- RoloTahmasee

So I am to believe that Kessel would just walk away from them during practice and do whatever he wanted? I heard they didn't like his attitude during film sessions. He also stopped every day to get a hot dog at a cart near his apartment...

“I just do what I kind of do. I don’t necessarily change my game ever,” Kessel said. “I just go out there and play my game, and hopefully I can produce points and score goals and help the team win. That’s basically it. I don’t think I really need to change for anything and just keep on doing my thing, I guess.”

How exactly do you manage an attitude like that. Guy forced a trade to Arizona because the coach treats him like a buddy.

https://arizonasports-com...ng-with-scoring-threat%2F
- Tojo.

Why would you need to change his game? You adjust your usage and systems around him because he’s a ppg player.

"This is just like any other job. You don't listen to the boss, you get canned." -Grinder

"This is (frank)ing hockey. Real world comparisons to an office setting aren't applicable." -also Grinder
- Victoro311

#ownthelibs

Maybe Mario could have stepped up and fired Rutherford and Sully. Then he could have had a long conversation with Kessel about how he wants his work environment to go. Crosby and Malkin are gone because they don’t want to play with him. Reaves is back because they are buddies. Then instead of practice they could gamble on shooting games and after showers all discuss feelings with the team therapist. After all these are humans we are talking about here.

Anyways, I'm pretty over this. At the end the of the day we can all speculate but none of us were in the room. We're all going to believe what we want and no one's gonna change anyone's mind.

So I am to believe that Kessel would just walk away from them during practice and do whatever he wanted? I heard they didn't like his attitude during film sessions. He also stopped every day to get a hot dog at a cart near his apartment...
- burgh4life87

Well documented. Whole team in front of the drawing board, Kessel Richarding with pucks.