I preferred him in the third line role with Bjugstad and (can’t remember who was the other wing). And the premise of all of this is I would prefer to move hom over Rust.
- Doogs

Simon-Bjug-Hornqvist was impressive, but any line Simon has been on has seen an improvement in scoring chances.

Moving Simon doesn't move significant salary off the books for the Pens nor likely garner much of a return, Rust does. Now, I'd rather keep both and move Horn.

Simon-Bjug-Hornqvist was impressive, but any line Simon has been on has seen an improvement in scoring chances.

Moving Simon doesn't move significant salary off the books for the Pens nor likely garner much of a return, Rust does. Now, I'd rather keep both and move Horn.
- Rinosaur

Simon>Rust anyways

Simon>Rust anyways
- j.boyd919

Agreed. I think Rust's intangibles are much easier to acquire.

Simon-Bjug-Hornqvist was impressive, but any line Simon has been on has seen an improvement in scoring chances.

Moving Simon doesn't move significant salary off the books for the Pens nor likely garner much of a return, Rust does. Now, I'd rather keep both and move Horn.
- Rinosaur

Damn it... there goes that idea anyway.

I preferred him in the third line role with Bjugstad and (can’t remember who was the other wing). I thought that line played well. And the premise of all of this is I would prefer to move him over Rust.
- Doogs

Simon does take Bjugstad's on ice numbers from terrible to top tier.

https://www.naturalstattr...p2=8475760&p3=0&p4=0&p5=0

Simon>Rust anyways
- j.boyd919

You could argue Simon being the 2nd or 3rd most impactful F on the team.

Agreed. I think Rust's intangibles are much easier to acquire.
- Rinosaur

I will take Simon for AA to build my future top 6 of

Lafreniere - Larkin - Mantha
Simon - Veleno - Zadina

You could argue Simon being the 2nd or 3rd most impactful F on the team.
- Feds91Stammer

Agreed 100%. I really hope Sullivan wises up and keeps him in the top six longer term.

Can you get the goals for with and without as well?

Because all I remember of Simon's time up there was a few gold chances being whiffed.
- Guile

They were the same either way at 66.7% The xGF, and all numbers really, were much higher with Simon.

Sid and Jake greatly out-performed their metrics which high skill players do regularly, but not always to this degree. Example we talk about is Phil: consistently bad metrics, but his skill usually pulls him slightly above break even.

In Simon's case, his lack of finish makes him underperform his metrics, but his metrics are so great it's still a net positive.

They were the same either way at 66.7% The xGF, and all numbers really, were much higher with Simon.

Sid and Jake greatly out-performed their metrics which high skill players do regularly, but not always to this degree. Example we talk about is Phil: consistently bad metrics, but his skill usually pulls him slightly above break even.

In Simon's case, his lack of finish makes him underperform his metrics, but his metrics are so great it's still a net positive.
- Tojo.

Well said.

Well said.
- Feds91Stammer

Thanks, I'm learning.

They're not even similar. They both have good one timers and that's about the extent of their similarities. Neal skated in cement and played a heavier game. Galchenyuk is fast but will provide exactly zero sandpaper. Saying Galchenyuk is a bad Phil Kessel with a one timer is a better comparison than saying Galchenyuk is Neal.
- Victoro311

I don't even mean similar as in style of play. More that both were streaky on their former teams and sent to Pittsburgh. I certainly didn't expect Neal, a perennial 20 goal scorer to transform into a 40 goal scorer here. In the same way I don't expect Gal to transform. I think Neal is a bit of an anomaly in the quest for Sid and Geno's wingers.

Chucky’s career scoring pace by season per Dobber sports starting with his rookie year:
46 (only 1 PPP)
39
47
56
59
51
47 in AZ

His linemates went from Radulov and Pacioretty to De La Rose, Drouin, and Lehkonen so it’s no surprise his ES scoring dropped. Then his center became Nick Cousins. QoT matters and it’s going to matter when he gets to Pitt. Who’s the better linemates: Cousins and Garland (27 and 31 point pace), Pacioretty and Radulov (68 and 58 point pace, Chucky had a 59 point pace that year), or Malkin (87 point pace in a ‘down year’) and say Rust (40 point pace)?

I also don’t see any reason to assume Chucky won’t see PP1 time in Pitt. Schultz has had 20 PPP once in his career and has 16 over his last 92 games. Chucky has had over 20 each of the past two seasons and was on pace for 20 the year before so a 20+ PPP pace for 3 straight years. After Phil, Tanger, Sid and Geno our next highest PP scorers had 12 and 11 points and they’re the net front guys. Clearly it’s between Schultz and Chucky. I could see either guy taking it

I haven’t been shy with my opinion. 40 ES points for Chucky and if he gets on PP1 I could see him getting 20+ PPP. For Phil I’ve got him around 35ES and 35 PPP playing with Keller and Stepan
- WSCTeton17

I want Guenztel on our 1st PP

Simon>Rust anyways
- j.boyd919

Are you joking?

They were the same either way at 66.7% The xGF, and all numbers really, were much higher with Simon.

Sid and Jake greatly out-performed their metrics which high skill players do regularly, but not always to this degree. Example we talk about is Phil: consistently bad metrics, but his skill usually pulls him slightly above break even.

In Simon's case, his lack of finish makes him underperform his metrics, but his metrics are so great it's still a net positive.
- Tojo.

No he just can’t score and can’t do anything else. You people try way to hard. Hopefully he realizes he sucks and retires soon.

I want Guenztel on our 1st PP
- Thrill81

Since Phil never one-timed it anyway and mostly set up guys, I would like to try Crosby in Phil's place an Jake in Sid's, which is probably the best match for Jake's skills.

Since Phil never one-timed it anyway and mostly set up guys, I would like to try Crosby in Phil's place an Jake in Sid's, which is probably the best match for Jake's skills.
- Tojo.

Shultz Letsng up top. Geno right circle Galchenyuk highslot, Sid and Jakey cakes down low. Blast away.

Shultz Letsng up top. Geno right circle Galchenyuk highslot, Sid and Jakey cakes down low. Blast away.
- Grinder47

I Counted 6 guys? Are you saying Schultz and Letang are interchangeable?

Shultz Letsng up top. Geno right circle Galchenyuk highslot, Sid and Jakey cakes down low. Blast away.
- Grinder47

So we're pulling the goalie and going with 6 skaters on the PP? Bold strategy.

Shultz Letsng up top. Geno right circle Galchenyuk highslot, Sid and Jakey cakes down low. Blast away.
- Grinder47

Counting is hard

Are you joking?
- Grinder47

No.

Are you joking?
- Grinder47

Look at the résumés...Simon has more cups and more clutch goals

Simon>Rust anyways
- j.boyd919

If Simon>Rust>Galchenyuk, how far down is Galchenyuk?

You could argue Simon being the 2nd or 3rd most impactful F on the team.
- Feds91Stammer

I'm legitimate curious where you rank maybe top 5 now. I'd have trouble putting Simon ahead of Crosby, Guentzel, or Malkin.

I'm also excited to see what Kahun, who had good metrics (though nowhere near Simon's level) and a 1.9 pts/60 while playing all over the place can do.

If Simon>Rust>Galchenyuk, how far down is Galchenyuk?
- Tojo.

Simon and Rust are more well-rounded players IMO, but Galchenyuk has more scoring prowess.