Saw this by chance... the Jack Johnson effect, again, in charts.
- Guile

I that a full 10% drop in HDCF?

He might as well just lay on the puck the entire time he's on the ice. It'd at least lower our goals against while he's out there.

The Kings just paid to make 2 years of a bad, overpriced LD contract go away. Now they're going to trade for 4 more years of the same?

I can see them doing it if Pittsburgh is willing to provide incentive by including a quality young prospect like Addison, Hallander, or a high round draft pick to the trade, but they're not going to take on his contract if Rust is all that coming back.

The Kings just paid to make 2 years of a bad, overpriced LD contract go away. Now they're going to trade for 4 more years of the same?

I can see them doing it if Pittsburgh is willing to provide incentive by including a quality young prospect like Addison, Hallander, or a high round draft pick to the trade, but they're not going to take on his contract if Rust is all that coming back.
- tkecanuck341

That's what most if us think actually. If a team takes JJ, it's going to take a good futures asset.

A team like LA, that has a lot of bad contracts for the next 3 years but just had an outstanding draft seems like a good team to take on a longer bad contract while adding assets for the future, but I don't know if that's their mindset.

That's what most if us think actually. If a team takes JJ, it's going to take a good futures asset.

A team like LA, that has a lot of bad contracts for the next 3 years but just had an outstanding draft seems like a good team to take on a longer bad contract while adding assets for the future, but I don't know if that's their mindset.
- Tojo.

I could see the Kings doing something like Forbort for Johnson, Addison, and a 3rd round pick.

JJ is going to Chicago E5 Per Malkin

JJ is going to Chicago E5 Per Malkin
- Sharks77

No one cares where he goes, as long as it is not here. -E73 Per Me

I would do it for 50% retained and this years first in a heartbeat. The penguins are primed to fall of a cliff and finish in the basement this year. Montreal is very young and still 2 or 3 years away. That high draft pick would fit in nicely.
- hunglikeapuck

Why would the Pens do that????? Pens would just buy him out and keep the 1st round pick. I wouldn’t give anything for 50% retained. This is not a Lucic contract that is $6 million cap hit. We are talking $3.25 million cap hit which is nothing these days. No way I would give a 1st and retain 50% of that contract. Team’s gave up far less for bigger contracts with no retention. Dream on, and give us some of what you are on.

I could see the Kings doing something like Forbort for Johnson, Addison, and a 3rd round pick.
- tkecanuck341

Something like that could make sense. I think the Pens, just because of having almost nothing on defense in the pipeline, would try to steer them towards a forward or even a 1st round pick if they could, but if LA was willing to go that route and start building towards a few years down the road that might fit.

Something like that could make sense. I think the Pens, just because of having almost nothing on defense in the pipeline, would try to steer them towards a forward or even a 1st round pick if they could, but if LA was willing to go that route and start building towards a few years down the road that might fit.
- Tojo.

Not sure how that other guys doesnt see it. But none of it makes sense for LA. Bringing back JJ whos terrible at defense really hurts what the team is doing with getting younger and giving the young guys playing time.

Not sure how that other guys doesnt see it. But none of it makes sense for LA. Bringing back JJ whos terrible at defense really hurts what the team is doing with getting younger and giving the young guys playing time.
- poisondhearts37

That's why I said I don't know LA's mindset. If I was them, I'd be looking to retool fo down the road when contracts like Brown, Kovalchuk, Quick, etc are gone, and rebuild, especially after such a strong draft. But if that's not the plan, then adding JJ makes no sense.

That's why I said I don't know LA's mindset. If I was them, I'd be looking to retool fo down the road when contracts like Brown, Kovalchuk, Quick, etc are gone, and rebuild, especially after such a strong draft. But if that's not the plan, then adding JJ makes no sense.
- Tojo.

Brown is honestly fine. And will likely retire a King. Hes played quite well the past couple years. They dont even really need to shed salary that bad atm.

The Kings just paid to make 2 years of a bad, overpriced LD contract go away. Now they're going to trade for 4 more years of the same?

I can see them doing it if Pittsburgh is willing to provide incentive by including a quality young prospect like Addison, Hallander, or a high round draft pick to the trade, but they're not going to take on his contract if Rust is all that coming back.
- tkecanuck341

First off Rust has more value than either of those prospects and no way we would give up Rust just do get rid of JJ’s contract. I would rather just buy him out before ever giving up our fastest player who scores at a 20 goal and 40 point pace when in the lineup.

We are talking $3.25 million cap hit. It is really scary to think people believe that is a sum that needs a top prospect or good NHL player to elevate. This is not a big contract in today’s NHL. You do realize that his cap hit would be the 5th highest paid defenseman on the majority of NHL teams. Also he would by the 6th highest paid defenseman on 4 teams and that will be 5 teams when Butcher who is an RFA signs his deal. So on most teams that cap hit is bottom pairing money and even a handful of teams he would be the 6th highest paid defenseman on the team. The way the insanity on this board is you would be thinking it was Lucic money. JJ can be traded and without even spicing things up. You could trade him for a 7th without any retention and if retention was needed it would not be more than $1 million retained.

Brown is honestly fine. And will likely retire a King. Hes played quite well the past couple years. They dont even really need to shed salary that bad atm.
- poisondhearts37

But for how long (we're asking the same question about Hornqvist). There is Carter, a good bit of dead space. And I just did a quick search and looks like LA had a great draft last year too. So in 2-3 years you'll have a lot of cap space, a desirable destination, and a boatload of young talent with Doughty and Kopitar still able to contribute. Sets up real nice.

Again, whether taking JJ's contract to add to that futures pool is worth it depends on LA' s direction, buy they certainly look like they are set up well for a quick rebuild like the Rangers did I they're willing to go that route.

But for how long (we're asking the same question about Hornqvist). There is Carter, a good bit of dead space. And I just did a quick search and looks like LA had a great draft last year too. So in 2-3 years you'll have a lot of cap space, a desirable destination, and a boatload of young talent with Doughty and Kopitar still able to contribute. Sets up real nice.

Again, whether taking JJ's contract to add to that futures pool is worth it depends on LA' s direction, buy they certainly look like they are set up well for a quick rebuild like the Rangers did I they're willing to go that route.
- Tojo.

If they were into taking contracts for future assets they would of signed off on Marleau. I guess stranger things are possible.

First off Rust has more value than either of those prospects and no way we would give up Rust just do get rid of JJ’s contract. I would rather just buy him out before ever giving up our fastest player who scores at a 20 goal and 40 point pace when in the lineup.

We are talking $3.25 million cap hit. It is really scary to think people believe that is a sum that needs a top prospect or good NHL player to elevate. This is not a big contract in today’s NHL. You do realize that his cap hit would be the 5th highest paid defenseman on the majority of NHL teams. Also he would by the 6th highest paid defenseman on 4 teams and that will be 5 teams when Butcher who is an RFA signs his deal. So on most teams that cap hit is bottom pairing money and even a handful of teams he would be the 6th highest paid defenseman on the team. The way the insanity on this board is you would be thinking it was Lucic money. JJ can be traded and without even spicing things up. You could trade him for a 7th without any retention and if retention was needed it would not be more than $1 million retained.
- MalkinCrosby

I'd have gone the buyout route, but that's no longer an option for this year.

I think with his age and years, you're being optimistic on how easy he'd be to move with so many team hurting for cap space and so few, if any, committed to that long rebuild, but maybe I'll be surprised.

If he doesn't go though, and even 1M retained might not clear enough cap space, then it is likely Rust or Bjugstad who goes. I can live with Rust, but only because I think we'd get a good return for him.

If they were into taking contracts for future assets they would of signed off on Marleau. I guess stranger things are possible.
- poisondhearts37

No, you're probably right, you know them better than me. I'm just saying that's what I'd do in their shoes.

You can keep him.

Ryan Wilson: Rumblings of Jack Johnson being shopped
Rumblings of Jack Johnson being shopped
- Ryan_Wilson

hello ryan

First off Rust has more value than either of those prospects and no way we would give up Rust just do get rid of JJ’s contract. I would rather just buy him out before ever giving up our fastest player who scores at a 20 goal and 40 point pace when in the lineup.

We are talking $3.25 million cap hit. It is really scary to think people believe that is a sum that needs a top prospect or good NHL player to elevate. This is not a big contract in today’s NHL. You do realize that his cap hit would be the 5th highest paid defenseman on the majority of NHL teams. Also he would by the 6th highest paid defenseman on 4 teams and that will be 5 teams when Butcher who is an RFA signs his deal. So on most teams that cap hit is bottom pairing money and even a handful of teams he would be the 6th highest paid defenseman on the team. The way the insanity on this board is you would be thinking it was Lucic money. JJ can be traded and without even spicing things up. You could trade him for a 7th without any retention and if retention was needed it would not be more than $1 million retained.
- MalkinCrosby

Serious question: why would anybody trade for him with how he is talked about as a player?

If your answer is to get to the cap floor for a bad team, wouldn't said bad team want a kicker to take on that player, when said team could instead sign some free agents to very short term, 1 year deals to reach the cap floor without giving up any assets, even a 7th round pick?

What your long winded post is basically saying is: step up stupid GM's. I sure do have a sale for you.

Wow you gave up a whole lot for a very useless Derek Grant. Grant is an AHL level player. The rest of the trade I am ok with

Lol Poor Weber. His D at that point would include Alzner, Chariot and JJ

Lol Poor Weber. His D at that point would include Alzner, Chariot and JJ
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Alzner is playing in Laval. But thanks for trying.

The funny thing is...after all of the crap that Rutherford has done (especially in free agency) watch him actually pull this off.

Was a typo. They meant JJ was seen shopping.


with that sweet, sweet $3.25 mill for the next 4 years

Not sure how that other guys doesnt see it. But none of it makes sense for LA. Bringing back JJ whos terrible at defense really hurts what the team is doing with getting younger and giving the young guys playing time.
- poisondhearts37

Stash Johnson in the AHL. It doesn't matter. You're doing it for the futures. By the time the Kings are ready to compete again and need the cap space, Johnson's contract will be off the books. Addison and a 3rd round pick are a good haul for taking on Johnson's poop contract.