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Sabretooth9
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.24.2019

Jul 1 @ 4:52 PM ET
Good .. so much for that 9
- gerbe75pts


I still don’t think I would pay that either. 7 is high for lee.

gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jul 1 @ 4:52 PM ET
I would literally trade them for five and ten dollars
- BeadyEyedDouche


Yet we kept them when you could’ve been free of their contract Lol
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jul 1 @ 4:53 PM ET
I still don’t think I would pay that either. 7 is high for lee.
- Sabretooth9


Meh, If Hayes got more than that, Lee is worth $7M.
Sabretooth9
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.24.2019

Jul 1 @ 4:55 PM ET
Meh, If Hayes got more than that, Lee is worth $7M.
- Wetbandit1


I’m actually okay with botts not paying any of these deals so far.

Get me that trade though. Those “older” contracts that aren’t insane should be worth something
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 1 @ 4:56 PM ET
$70M, and he wants it back.
- Wetbandit1


Oh yeah, I'm sure he'll get it back. It's just sitting in an account somewhere

Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jul 1 @ 4:57 PM ET
Yet we kept them when you could’ve been free of their contract Lol
- gerbe75pts


We only kept their rights. They are not signed automatically, that's not how QOs work. They're still free to negotiate a contract with any team. The Canes qualified Aho, that's why they still have the option to match, otherwise Aho would've been a UFA.

Teams must extend a qualifying offer to a restricted free agent to retain negotiation rights.

A qualifying offer is an official Standard Player Contract (SPC) offer which shall be 1 year in length, and which can be subject to salary arbitration should the player be eligible.

Clubs have until the later of June 25th or the first Monday after the Entry Draft to submit Qualifying Offers.

Qualifying Offers apply to Group 2 and Group 4 free agents.

Submitting a Qualifying Offers gives the prior club the right of first refusal to match any offer sheet submitted, or receive draft pick compensation.

If the player rejects the qualifying offer, they remain an RFA and their rights are retained by the team.

If a player does not receive a qualifying offer, the player becomes a UFA.

- https://www.capfriendly.c...alifying-offer-calculator
SabreWest
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BC
Joined: 03.02.2015

Jul 1 @ 5:08 PM ET
Evolving Hockey's best/worst contracts handed out so far in terms of AAV overpayment:

Panarin +$500K
E Karlsson + $1.8 million
Skinner +$650K
Duchene +$1.2 million
Lee +$500K
Hayes +$1.4 million
Lindell +$600K
Stralman +$1million
Nelson +$1.6 million
Murray +$600K

Thus, for everyone bagging Botts for Skinner to $9 million/year, there much worse contracts being handed out.

Below is a list of the worst agents because their clients should have been paid substantially more.....

Pavelski -$400K
W Karlsson -$400K
Eberle -$400K
Panik -$2.3 million
Kulak -$1.8 million

https://docs.google.com/s...iWLN54/edit#gid=707766415


Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jul 1 @ 5:10 PM ET
We only kept their rights. They are not signed automatically, that's not how QOs work. They're still free to negotiate a contract with any team. The Canes qualified Aho, that's why they still have the option to match, otherwise Aho would've been a UFA.
- Wetbandit1


It's a little more complicated than that. They can accept their QO, reject their QO, or (in the case of ERod, McCabe, Girgs, Ullmark, Larrson, Smith, and Elie) reject and file for arbitration. JB may have his hands full with several arb cases. Frankly, they should all file.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 1 @ 5:10 PM ET
Evolving Hockey's best/worst contracts handed out so far in terms of AAV overpayment:

Panarin +$500K
E Karlsson + $1.8 million
Skinner +$650K
Duchene +$1.2 million
Lee +$500K
Hayes +$1.4 million
Lindell +$600K
Stralman +$1million
Nelson +$1.6 million
Murray +$600K

Thus, for everyone bagging Botts for Skinner to $9 million/year, there much worse contracts being handed out.

Below is a list of the worst agents because their clients should have been paid substantially more.....

Pavelski -$400K
W Karlsson -$400K
Eberle -$400K
Panik -$2.3 million
Kulak -$1.8 million

https://docs.google.com/s...iWLN54/edit#gid=707766415

- SabreWest



ZOMG HOSED
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jul 1 @ 5:19 PM ET
It's a little more complicated than that. They can accept their QO, reject their QO, or (in the case of ERod, McCabe, Girgs, Ullmark, Larrson, Smith, and Elie) reject and file for arbitration. JB may have his hands full with several arb cases. Frankly, they should all file.
- Lunaion



Yeah, that's why I added Cap Friendly's explanation. There's almost never a reason for a player to accept their QO. It's simply an administrative procedure.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Jul 1 @ 5:24 PM ET
I still don’t think I would pay that either. 7 is high for lee.
- Sabretooth9


7 is high for Lee, but 9 is just fine for Skinner. They are legit the same player with similar stats.
I love this fanbase sometimes.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jul 1 @ 5:24 PM ET
Yeah, that's why I added Cap Friendly's explanation. There's almost never a reason for a player to accept their QO. It's simply an administrative procedure.
- Wetbandit1


I know you get it. I just find it interesting that JB is walking into so many arb cases, when there's a clear league-wide trend to minimize it. He can't really want all 7 of them back....
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Jul 1 @ 5:26 PM ET
7 is high for Lee, but 9 is just fine for Skinner. They are legit the same player with similar stats.
I love this fanbase sometimes.

- Pegullaville

I think they hate you
mhp
Buffalo Sabres
Location: PROUD MEMBER OF RED SOX NATION SINCE 1975!!!! , SD
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 1 @ 5:28 PM ET
Dzingel, Johansson, Ferland, Gardiner and Chiarot seem to be the only big names left. It's a good thing Botts stayed away.

The only thing left is trading Risto.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 1 @ 5:33 PM ET
7 is high for Lee, but 9 is just fine for Skinner. They are legit the same player with similar stats.
I love this fanbase sometimes.

- Pegullaville


Skinner just turned 27

Lee turns 29 in 2 days.

One is coming off 40 goals, one 28
washedup20
Location: the little apple
Joined: 08.19.2014

Jul 1 @ 5:35 PM ET
Skinner just turned 27

Lee turns 29 in 2 days.

One is coming off 40 goals, one 28

- jcragcrumple



jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 1 @ 5:37 PM ET

- washedup20


Is this the part of the show where we stand in solemn prayer to the *One True Hockey God?

*© Sabrestaco
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jul 1 @ 5:38 PM ET

- washedup20


It's not as bad when you remember he didn't deserve any of them...
RawDog
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 07.14.2014

Jul 1 @ 5:42 PM ET
7 is high for Lee, but 9 is just fine for Skinner. They are legit the same player with similar stats.
I love this fanbase sometimes.

- Pegullaville


Power forwards like Lee usually don't age gracefully (Lucic, Ladd, Moulson etc..). After 2-3 years he's gonna go downhill fast.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jul 1 @ 5:48 PM ET
Bob McKenzie

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Lehner is indeed off to CHI. One year at $5M.
Cup Crazy '07
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 11.29.2006

Jul 1 @ 5:49 PM ET
So is Risto still gone? Are we done? Johannson still not an option?
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jul 1 @ 5:52 PM ET
Bob McKenzie

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Lehner is indeed off to CHI. One year at $5M.

- Stripes77


That's... interesting.
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

Jul 1 @ 5:53 PM ET
Bob McKenzie

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Following Following @TSNBobMcKenzie
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Lehner is indeed off to CHI. One year at $5M.

- Stripes77

That makes no sense
bonecrrusher
Buffalo Sabres
Location: QC
Joined: 07.06.2013

Jul 1 @ 5:53 PM ET
So is Risto still gone? Are we done? Johannson still not an option?
- Cup Crazy '07

Im not sure we are better by adding miller et vesey and for a guy that is on a hot seat i thought he would had been busy today
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 1 @ 5:53 PM ET
That makes no sense
- SABRES 89


It's Lehner
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