When you try to find some solace in the Krapanen and Johnsson deals but then realize you only have 6.9M left for Little Mitch and a defenseman




- Komisaurus Rex

if Leafs will match 10.5x5 (which they will) - it's normal that that's Marner's demand. Leafs should just go ahead and offer it for Marner to sign that contract, instead of stalling and repeating over and over in media 'we cannot do anything before we sort out the Marner situation'.

As for the Marner vs Panarin - yes, a team would have to give up picks now (1st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd) but Panarin in 5y has no value left (or very limited) while Marner at trade deadline year 5 of that contract is definitely worth the (equivalent of) 2 1sts, 2nd, 3rd if a team would think the picks are an issue.
(then again, Dubas is giving away 1sts like candy - so apparently if the bestest GM in league holds no value to 1st round picks, it's not that big of a deal...)
- MaximusAurelius

You’re a (frank)ing idiot.

I actually kinda like it.
- Atomic Wedgie

Dubious works..

Dubius is a plant, or a bird.

Trade Marner for a top pairing RHD. Problem solved.

Here's the pinch points in the negotiation ...

Term ...Leafs trying to squeeze a 6th yr into the equation.

Value ...if it's 5 years then who's the best comp for Marner in terms of guys signing 5 yr deals coming off their ELC.

Crosby/Malkin - 15% of cap
Matthews - 14%
Stamkos - 11.7%
Toews/Kane 10.6%
Getzlaf/Perry 9.4%

Kane's the best real life comp out there, IMO. That nets him 5 x 8.7.

If Mitchy prefers the Stamkos comp then add a 6th year 6 x 9.5.

Trade Marner for a top pairing RHD. Problem solved.
- Steven_Seagull

No..

(Hypothetically) Let Mitchy sign an offersheet, get the 4 1sts, then sign or trade for a 1rhd.

No..

(Hypothetically) Let Mitchy sign an offersheet, get the 4 1sts, then sign or trade for a 1rhd.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

A team isn’t going to offer him 10.6, they’ll only offer 10.5 over 5 years. Two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd? Not worth it. Better to trade him. Screw matching that offer.

A team isn’t going to offer him 10.6, they’ll only offer 10.5 over 5 years. Two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd? Not worth it. Better to trade him. Screw matching that offer.
- Steven_Seagull

Right.

And hypothetically if the Leafs had 5 x 9.5 on the table. That deal would include front loaded bonus of as much as 30 million strike/lock out proof dollars payable in the next 12 months. Factor in that endorsement $$ may be better in TO. And factor in that he's got a pretty good thing going on here.

5 milly over 5 years isn't quite as much of a difference as it might seem.

Dubious works..

Dubius is a plant, or a bird.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Ha ha - that's what happens when I read my cell phone without my reading glasses.

Don't ever get old, kids.

Right.

And hypothetically if the Leafs had 5 x 9.5 on the table. That deal would include front loaded bonus of as much as 30 million strike/lock out proof dollars payable in the next 12 months. Factor in that endorsement $$ may be better in TO. And factor in that he's got a pretty good thing going on here.

5 milly over 5 years isn't quite as much of a difference as it might seem.
- The Law

Stack it for July 1st, next year.

It's only money. Marner gets paid throughout the strike year.

It's gonna suck going to Raptors games next year, and having to cross the NHL's picket lines.

Poor bastards like Tavares and Matthews, holding up signs.

I'll bring them a cup of coffee in the cold weather.

My wacky idea for the day:

Trade Nylander for a good defenceman.

Then trade a ham sandwich for Kessel, if Pittsburgh agrees to eat salary.

Matthews with Kessel? Yummy.

I was thinking Brett Connelly or B. Tanev - nothing fancy about them but they are cheap FA's who can play down in the lineup.

Yes greaser!!

WTF ??

i do negotiations all the time. if the other party came to me with that BS and said "what if my clients production dropped or he got injured?" I would pounce all over that and my response would be " you want 5yrs at $11.5aav but think theres a real risk or possibility that the players production could fall in the short term??" where is the consideration then for my risk? why the hell would i agree to this?"

- Good On Paper

I feel like there will be a bunch of rfas not signed by September.
I feel like marner doesn't want to be the 1st to sign
- Fakepartofme

Seems like they all want someone else to go first.

It will be Point and he will sign a discount.

I really hope the league comes up with a way to address the advantage Tampa and Vegas have because it is definitely influencing what players will sign for.

Stack it for July 1st, next year.

It's only money. Marner gets paid throughout the strike year.

It's gonna suck going to Raptors games next year, and having to cross the NHL's picket lines.

Poor bastards like Tavares and Matthews, holding up signs.

I'll bring them a cup of coffee in the cold weather.
- Atomic Wedgie

Ya, I think he'll get the 20% max in years 1 and 2. So about 16 milly ...of which about 15 milly can be bonus. So 15 milly when he signs and 15 milly next July 1. He'll pocket 31 million before he has to start nailing those signs together.

- Arctic_AARDVARK

No..

(Hypothetically) Let Mitchy sign an offersheet, get the 4 1sts, then sign or trade for a 1rhd.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

No.
1) there wont be offersheet for marner, even if there was one...if it doesnt match the term he wants, he wont sign.
2) marner wont be traded unless this goes to Oct 2nd.

So buckle up. Its going to be a fun summer of people posting stupid trade ideas and whining about marner.

I'll be enjoying the nice weather, only caring about if Kawhi signs and if he doesnt, meh.... who cares we're champs....we'll sign someone else.

My wacky idea for the day:

Trade Nylander for a good defenceman.

Then trade a ham sandwich for Kessel, if Pittsburgh agrees to eat salary.

Matthews with Kessel? Yummy.
- Atomic Wedgie

Well, we are already paying 1.2 to kessel....whats a few millie per.

Trade Marner for a top pairing RHD. Problem solved.
- Steven_Seagull

then you need to find another superstar winger.
Another problem created.

Seems like they all want someone else to go first.

It will be Point and he will sign a discount.

I really hope the league comes up with a way to address the advantage Tampa and Vegas have because it is definitely influencing what players will sign for.
- Aetherial

I thought that too ...it's a big advantage. But, the Leafs can fight it with the upfront bonus $$. The real losers are the smaller markets with high taxes.

I thought that too ...it's a big advantage. But, the Leafs can fight it with the upfront bonus $$. The real losers are the smaller markets with high taxes.
- The Law

Even if you structure the money per year as 90% bonus and 10% salary, it drastically cuts down on the amount of taxes they pay.

I believe....
Im pretty sure thats why JT only get paid a million per year in salary, the rest is bonus.

I think.

- Good On Paper

Mitch will need to wear one of these bras over his head and covering his ears so he won't have to listen to all the peeved fans he will maybe screw

Any second contract for a dude who is capable of being in the top 6 is now going to be more than $3 million.

That's just a fact, I'm afraid.
- Atomic Wedgie

I would say it is more than 5 at this point.

The Johnsson and Kapanen deals were very good.

Even if you structure the money per year as 90% bonus and 10% salary, it drastically cuts down on the amount of taxes they pay.

I believe....
Im pretty sure thats why JT only get paid a million per year in salary, the rest is bonus.

I think.


- Fakepartofme

Good point. Also, for guys like JT and Marner who have primary residences in Canada - yes they pay more tax but they get paid in USD, so 9.5M USD for Marner is $12.5M CAD;

11M USD for JT is $14.4M CAD so they aren't starving.