you are right - Dubas should have offered Matthews a bridge deal ór a full 8y deal @12.5mln.
However, he gave him the most player friendly contract in the league.
Once that was done, normal that Marner wants the same - since he is nearly as good as Matthews.
- MaximusAurelius

still, as a winger he should be happy when he gets 1-1.5M per less...

No.

They barely have enough cap space as it is...12.5 M? Marner would of been gone by now.
- Santo_44

Matthews 12.5mln /8y.
Marner 11.16/8y.

you trade Nylander to get an update on D.

the Matthews 11.6mln/5y deal is really really bad by super-GM Dubas.

Kapanen - 3.200 x 3 years - confirmed

It's funny because Commodore and Chelios say the opposite of what people hate Babcock for. He disrespects veterans and lowers there minutes.
- AdamFrench

The moral of the story is fans don't know poop

still, as a winger he should be happy when he gets 1-1.5M per less...
- 21peter

oh yes, i think that's fair. 12.5mln for Matthews on an 8y deal and 11mln for Marner on an 8y deal.
5 y deal for Matthews is such a bad signing by Dubas.

Johnsson - 3.400 x 4 years - confirmed

Matthews 12.5mln /8y.
Marner 11.16/8y.

you trade Nylander to get an update on D.

the Matthews 11.6mln/5y deal is really really bad by super-GM Dubas.
- MaximusAurelius

Who is the magical D man they are trading for? You don't know the market as much as you think you do. It isn't NHL 19 where you can trade for anyone its a lot more difficult than that.

if Leafs will match 10.5x5 (which they will) - it's normal that that's Marner's demand. Leafs should just go ahead and offer it for Marner to sign that contract, instead of stalling and repeating over and over in media 'we cannot do anything before we sort out the Marner situation'.

As for the Marner vs Panarin - yes, a team would have to give up picks now (1st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd) but Panarin in 5y has no value left (or very limited) while Marner at trade deadline year 5 of that contract is definitely worth the (equivalent of) 2 1sts, 2nd, 3rd if a team would think the picks are an issue.
(then again, Dubas is giving away 1sts like candy - so apparently if the bestest GM in league holds no value to 1st round picks, it's not that big of a deal...)
- MaximusAurelius

Their hand has not been forced yet. Marner might be asking for more than 10.5. Marner not be willing to negotiate directly until he sees what the RFA interview process yields so he can present what he feels is his market value. Maybe his market value isn't worth 4 1sts, and he comes up empty and all leverage shifts back to the Leafs.

At this point, I believe both camps have talked and presented the parameters they are comfortable with and with the RFA Offer Sheet period looming, Marner's camp doesn't feel they should budge, and if their price point is too high, the Leafs will already have their maximum number in mind before they walk away.

Who is the magical D man they are trading for? You don't know the market as much as you think you do. It isn't NHL 19 where you can trade for anyone its a lot more difficult than that.
- Santo_44

Nylander holds value and can definitely get a young top4 D-man in return.

you are right - Dubas should have offered Matthews a bridge deal ór a full 8y deal @12.5mln.
However, he gave him the most player friendly contract in the league.
Once that was done, normal that Marner wants the same - since he is nearly as good as Matthews.
- MaximusAurelius

Should have signed Marner and Matthews at the same time last off season.
Similar to Toews and kane who make the same $ and term.

Maybe he tried.....from all Ive heard thats out there.....doesnt seem like he did.

who knows.

Johnsson and Kapanen signed.

Johnsson signed a four-year deal carrying an average annual value of $3.4 million, while Kapanen signed a three-year deal which carries a $3.2 million cap hit per season.

Not bad, Dubas.

Not bad.

Johnsson - 3.400 x 4 years - confirmed
- paulozz

That's pretty sweet. Both he and Kap confirmed (3.2x3).

They had Johnsson projected at $3.7x4 and Kapanen at $2.9x3.

oh yes, i think that's fair. 12.5mln for Matthews on an 8y deal and 11mln for Marner on an 8y deal.
5 y deal for Matthews is such a bad signing by Dubas.
- MaximusAurelius

Not in the slightest.

They need to make the cap work and they worked together to make that happen.

the 8 year deals to RFA's given out by GMs were short lived.

I'd put some money on the fact no top RFA's will be getting 8 years this year.

Johnsson and Kapanen signed.

Johnsson signed a four-year deal carrying an average annual value of $3.4 million, while Kapanen signed a three-year deal which carries a $3.2 million cap hit per season.

Not bad, Dubas.

Not bad.
- Atomic Wedgie

Awesome contracts.

two players that'll be in the top 6 for a while at great numbers.

Who is the magical D man they are trading for? You don't know the market as much as you think you do. It isn't NHL 19 where you can trade for anyone its a lot more difficult than that.
- Santo_44

Nah man, you just need to set the reality settings to "easy" and the trades become .....well easier.
Get it on Dubas, forget this trying to be a hero on "pro" setting

11.6mln / 5y is what level of gm'ing then?
- MaximusAurelius

ppg, by year after being drafted:

mm am
1 0.00 0.84
2 0.79 1.02
3 0.84 1.07
4 1.15 n.a.

Not in the slightest.

They need to make the cap work and they worked together to make that happen.

the 8 year deals to RFA's given out by GMs were short lived.

I'd put some money on the fact no top RFA's will be getting 8 years this year.
- Santo_44

I'm going to put down my Marner-haterade for a moment, and look at it from any player's perspective:

It's roomered that the cap will go up soon, due to a new US TV contract.

There's also the possibility of a salary roll-back - remember, it has happened before.

Do you really want to be tied in for 8 years?

Johnsson and Kapanen signed.

Johnsson signed a four-year deal carrying an average annual value of $3.4 million, while Kapanen signed a three-year deal which carries a $3.2 million cap hit per season.

Not bad, Dubas.

Not bad.
- Atomic Wedgie

Not bad...I was hoping for under 3m per.....but only 400g's above seems reasonable.
As long they are both able to get 40 - 45pts each.....its worth it.

you are right - Dubas should have offered Matthews a bridge deal ór a full 8y deal @12.5mln.
However, he gave him the most player friendly contract in the league.
Once that was done, normal that Marner wants the same - since he is nearly as good as Matthews.
- MaximusAurelius

No one really knows what Marner wants but I think you are probably right...
Marner was already offered 10M x 8 - according to Brian Burke, and that was coming from Marner's agent. He said the dollar amount was fine but the term was too long. If you want less term then you take less money - 9x6??

Maybe he wants exactly to have the same term as his bff Matthews (again who knows) If that's the case though he can't expect the same money.

I'm going to put down my Marner-haterade for a moment, and look at it from any player's perspective:

It's roomered that the cap will go up soon, due to a new US TV contract.

There's also the possibility of a salary roll-back - remember, it has happened before.

Do you really want to be tied in for 8 years?
- Atomic Wedgie

exactly, why I think it's possible he could sign a very short bridge deal and wait for that cap to go up. But as old Scabeh said, there's some risk to that. Hard to imagine Marner taking steps back though

Nah man, you just need to set the reality settings to "easy" and the trades become .....well easier.
Get it on Dubas, forget this trying to be a hero on "pro" setting


- Fakepartofme

He's trying to beat the game on the highest difficulty setting

Trade for Manson already.

Anehiem obviously wants to trade him.

The Leafs obviously want him.

Anehiem obviously views Nylander highly.

The Leafs are obliviously not on Mansons 12 team no trade.

The cap numbers will obviously fit into both teams plans.

and if the Ducks say no? Keep adding a 7th round pick until the value adds up.

I'm going to put down my Marner-haterade for a moment, and look at it from any player's perspective:

It's roomered that the cap will go up soon, due to a new US TV contract.

There's also the possibility of a salary roll-back - remember, it has happened before.

Do you really want to be tied in for 8 years?
- Atomic Wedgie

Exactly.
They dont want 8 years right now....they see Mackinnon making 6.whatever that he is locked into for several years knowing full well he could be making 3m more.

5 year or under deals is what Im seeing.

I'm going to put down my Marner-haterade for a moment, and look at it from any player's perspective:

It's roomered that the cap will go up soon, due to a new US TV contract.

There's also the possibility of a salary roll-back - remember, it has happened before.

Do you really want to be tied in for 8 years?
- Atomic Wedgie

Nope.

I highly doubt either team is interested in 8 years unless the cap number is perfect.

this is a 5/6 year commitment.

Not bad...I was hoping for under 3m per.....but only 400g's above seems reasonable.
As long they are both able to get 40 - 45pts each.....its worth it.
- Fakepartofme

Any second contract for a dude who is capable of being in the top 6 is now going to be more than $3 million.

That's just a fact, I'm afraid.

Should have signed Marner and Matthews at the same time last off season.
Similar to Toews and kane who make the same $ and term.

Maybe he tried.....from all Ive heard thats out there.....doesnt seem like he did.

who knows.
- Fakepartofme

kane is a year younger than toews and was outscoring toews on a ppg basis in comparable years. similar goal scoring. toews being a center evened it out.


marner is a year older than matthews and scores less on a ppg basis in comparable years. matthews' goal scoring and being a center creates a gap.