YOU have some pair i will say that .....
throwing someone under your bus
your reference on your avatar
"to being inside someones(Dundees ) wife" MUST BE DOWN ...
that is as inflammatory a statement that cant be overlooked
where's a ref when you need one !
Take that crap down and , so glad theres a real moderator to watch or read the acts
of the participants...
- NASHTYGUY

Ok I’ll change it

And I’ve moved

that was cohesive thought
- blueshirts_fan

The point is that if you don't make the signing, you don't even have the failed attempt at the goal.

Pulling out an old Star Trek gem here (yes, big loser, I know):

"It is possible to make no mistakes and still lose."
- Capt. J.L. Picard
- Tonybere

Mistakes are important, you can learn from them, and that has been my entire point. learn from the past don't repeat it. We've had some successes but nothing notable except for the president's trophy and 2nd place finish. I'm greedy I want more. I want to take my sons to a parade in the canyon of heroes

someone did bring up Hossa's contract didn't he win twice with Chicago?

- eichiefs9

For him that was cohesive.

Mistakes are important, you can learn from them, and that has been my entire point. learn from the past don't repeat it. We've had some successes but nothing notable except for the president's trophy and 2nd place finish. I'm greedy I want more. I want to take my sons to a parade in the canyon of heroes

someone did bring up Hossa's contract didn't he win twice with Chicago?
- blueshirts_fan

He won 3 times. I brought up Hossa because you couldn't call him a bust on other teams because they fell short. He scored 12 goals for the Pens when they lost in the final that playoff year. So while the team fell short, Hossa did everything he could reasonably have done.

The year we went to the conference finals with Gabby, he had 40 goals that season and added 11 points in 20 playoff games despite Torts system. The team may have failed, but getting Gabby was not a bad decision.

He won 3 times. I brought up Hossa because you couldn't call him a bust on other teams because they fell short. He scored 12 goals for the Pens when they lost in the final that playoff year. So while the team fell short, Hossa did everything he could reasonably have done.

The year we went to the conference finals with Gabby, he had 40 goals that season and added 11 points in 20 playoff games despite Torts system. The team may have failed, but getting Gabby was not a bad decision.
- 2sticks1puck

Congrats to that team for being 2nd best kudos, that's what you're hanging your hat on?

Congrats to that team for being 2nd best kudos, that's what you're hanging your hat on?
- blueshirts_fan

If you want to say that every season where your team doesn't win the cup is a failure, that's fine. My problem is you seem to want to grade every transaction on that same scale. Some of those 94 trade deadline deals were really bad despite the fact we wound up winning. Conversely, moves we made where we didn't win the cup were A+.Would you rather still have Brassard on the team? By your logic, no sense in trading for Zib because we didn't win the cup anyway, so what's the point? Ditto for any of the moves in the rebuild.

You said you didn't want other teams shiny toys. Hajek, Howden, Rykov, ADA and Fox were all shiny toys of other orgs. McD our best D of the century so far was a Habs pick. If a move improves the team, you have to go it.

Congrats to that team for being 2nd best kudos, that's what you're hanging your hat on?
- blueshirts_fan

By that logic are you saying that since 94 the Rangers haven't made one good move, via trade, free agency, draft, etc.? Trading Gomez for Mac was a bad trade because we didn't win the cup? I think everyone's point is that the cup is incredibly difficult to win, and takes a ton of luck. So judging every move based on them not ending the season with a cup is narrow minded.

If you want to say that every season where your team doesn't win the cup is a failure, that's fine. My problem is you seem to want to grade every transaction on that same scale. Some of those 94 trade deadline deals were really bad despite the fact we wound up winning. Conversely, moves we made where we didn't win the cup were A+.Would you rather still have Brassard on the team? By your logic, no sense in trading for Zib because we didn't win the cup anyway, so what's the point? Ditto for any of the moves in the rebuild.

You said you didn't want other teams shiny toys. Hajek, Howden, Rykov, ADA and Fox were all shiny toys of other orgs. McD our best D of the century so far was a Habs pick. If a move improves the team, you have to go it.
- 2sticks1puck

McD was great, was traded for an awful contract still mind boggeling, then he was traded for some of theprospects you listed, did he win anything with us, no, does that make him a bad player, no, he also came to us as a rookie so that goes back to my point of getting better scouts
Hajek, Howden and Rykov still have to prove themselves we do not have enough to judge them yet.

Fox I would have waited till next season, but Gorton has had a helluva an off season so far, and trading for trouba for virtually nothing didn't really cost us anything in the scheme of things it was Hayes for trouba and lemiuex.

Edit: and Pionk, but he is an RFA so who knows if he will be resigned.

this Century is still young still gots another 81 years before it ends lets see if we can get someone better than McD

I still think we need a damned character limit on these forums

By that logic are you saying that since 94 the Rangers haven't made one good move, via trade, free agency, draft, etc.? Trading Gomez for Mac was a bad trade because we didn't win the cup? I think everyone's point is that the cup is incredibly difficult to win, and takes a ton of luck. So judging every move based on them not ending the season with a cup is narrow minded.
- SkjeiStadium

Signing Gomez was stupid, trading him for McD was (frank)ING ingenuous.

it maybe narrow minded but it means they have to play harder

Congrats to that team for being 2nd best kudos, that's what you're hanging your hat on?
- blueshirts_fan

I still don't really understand what your overall point is

if you think the NY Rangers aren't going to try and win again after purposely not trying the last two years you have the wrong team

I still don't really understand what your overall point is

if you think the NY Rangers aren't going to try and win again after purposely not trying the last two years you have the wrong team
- jimbro83

I say this year in and out, I'm glad to be a Rangers fan. We have made countless stupid signing and trades, way too many to list. One thing that I always took pride in was that we would do whatever it felt like to try to win. It obviously has not worked more than it's worked, but I never have to worry about the front office mailing it in. While the rebuild has been refreshing, it's also nice when things change (getting Kakko) that the org is ready to put the pedal to the medal again.

no it's just an exaggeration

no free agent signing of the past has any bearing on somebody they sign now

no draft pick of the past has any bearing on somebody they draft now
- jimbro83

In a way it does though. Signing a player at 27/28 for 7 years usually works out the first 2-3 years then we start talking about their decline and buying them out. 3 years from now we’re going to have Kravtsov/Kakko/Fox/Shestyorkin etc coming off ELC’s looking for raises and if they follow the pattern that’s been set by the RFA’s lately that won’t come cheap.

I’m not saying don’t sign Panarin, but by signing him you have to believe we’ll be competing for a cup in 2-3 years. If you still think we’re 3+ years away then don’t sign Panarin. I’m split but if he wants to come to NY I think you have to roll the dice. He only has 4 years in the NHL vs 8-9 that most reach UFA with.

I say this year in and out, I'm glad to be a Rangers fan. We have made countless stupid signing and trades, way too many to list. One thing that I always took pride in was that we would do whatever it felt like to try to win. It obviously has not worked more than it's worked, but I never have to worry about the front office mailing it in. While the rebuild has been refreshing, it's also nice when things change (getting Kakko) that the org is ready to put the pedal to the medal again.
- 2sticks1puck

I don't understand why anyone is talking about the past right now, we've never had the opportunity to pick the best player in the draft before, we are literally in a position we have never been before but we are talking Scott Gomez

For him that was cohesive.
- blueshirts_fan

Signing Gomez was stupid, trading him for McD was (frank)ING ingenuous.

it maybe narrow minded but it means they have to play harder
- blueshirts_fan

Ok that was my only point. You can make good moves and still not win the cup. That doesn't make it a bad move. Disappointing result, sure, but to say that bringing in outside help doesn't work and you need to strictly build from within is just wrong. We've built from within, now its time to let these guys develop and if you can add a guy like Panarin to take some of the weight off of Kakko and Kravtsov's shoulders its a no brainer. Every year the Stanley Cup winner has brought in some outside help either before the season or at the deadline. Look at ROR

I don't understand why anyone is talking about the past right now, we've never had the opportunity to pick the best player in the draft before, we are literally in a position we have never been before but we are talking Scott Gomez
- jimbro83

2nd best player in the draft

Also, remember Hugh Jessiman?

In a way it does though. Signing a player at 27/28 for 7 years usually works out the first 2-3 years then we start talking about their decline and buying them out. 3 years from now we’re going to have Kravtsov/Kakko/Fox/Shestyorkin etc coming off ELC’s looking for raises and if they follow the pattern that’s been set by the RFA’s lately that won’t come cheap.

I’m not saying don’t sign Panarin, but by signing him you have to believe we’ll be competing for a cup in 2-3 years. If you still think we’re 3+ years away then don’t sign Panarin. I’m split but if he wants to come to NY I think you have to roll the dice. He only has 4 years in the NHL vs 8-9 that most reach UFA with.
- nyrangers9479

I want to give Kakko and Kravstov the opportunity to play with an elite European player, and a mentor for our young Russians

I am not thinking much further than that, play em one game at a time, see what happens

2nd best player in the draft

Also, remember Pavel Brendl?
- eichiefs9

Hughes is a p u s s y

I don't understand why anyone is talking about the past right now, we've never had the opportunity to pick the best player in the draft before, we are literally in a position we have never been before but we are talking Scott Gomez
- jimbro83

I got nothing. You've watched longer than I have, has there ever been a period where we've had this much impact talent coming up? I guess the early 90s was close, but even those guys were spread out over several seasons.

I got nothing. You've watched longer than I have, has there ever been a period where we've had this much impact talent coming up? I guess the early 90s was close, but even those guys were spread out over several seasons.
- 2sticks1puck

they've never had this, it's unprecedented

Hughes is a p u s s y
- jimbro83

Well if it makes you feel better I mixed up Brendl and Jessiman for some reason. You beat my ninja edit

Well if it makes you feel better I mixed up Brendl and Jessiman for some reason. You beat my ninja edit
- eichiefs9

the Russian word for Jessiman is Brendl so it makes perfect sense

the Russian word for Jessiman is Brendl so it makes perfect sense
- jimbro83

At least we eventually avoided that land mine

I still don't really understand what your overall point is

if you think the NY Rangers aren't going to try and win again after purposely not trying the last two years you have the wrong team
- jimbro83

of course I want them to win, just look at it this way Marner is a great player, but is it because of him or the players he has around him? could he bring that level of success without his supporting cast? can any one person do that? look at our last 2 backup goalies, they had A LOT of success here, but take them away and less so. short of getting the Leafs top line so that Marner is will his complimentary players how can we assure success?