Jeff Paul
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Location: Las Vegas, NV Joined: 11.02.2018
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I thought at his cap hit he was a good deal. Why not package one of their 2nd round picks with Reaves? |
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Antilles
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Joined: 10.17.2008
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league full of General Managers look silly during the 2017 Expansion Draft.
Not really. Made a couple look foolish, sure, but plenty had no issues. Vegas paid St. Louis 30 million in expansion fees just for a one year rental of David Perron. |
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I thought at his cap hit he was a good deal. Why not package one of their 2nd round picks with Reaves? - drummer829
Good for 1 year but they weren't going to be able to afford to resign him. He'll be a 5 Million plus player easy on his next deal
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Not really. Made a couple look foolish, sure, but plenty had no issues. Vegas paid St. Louis 30 million in expansion fees just for a one year rental of David Perron. - Antilles
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RonPielep
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Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer Joined: 08.21.2014
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Not really. Made a couple look foolish, sure, but plenty had no issues. Vegas paid St. Louis 30 million in expansion fees just for a one year rental of David Perron. - Antilles
Yikes, that is some fine economic illiteracy. I hope you have a good government/union job. |
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Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 04.22.2014
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Good for 1 year but they weren't going to be able to afford to resign him. He'll be a 5 Million plus player easy on his next deal - RoloTahmasee
I'd still be fine with him for one year. Eakins and Reaves should be gone first. |
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Not happy cause really liked him. Thinking there were others would have preferred gone over him. What's the condition on the pick too?? |
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rickboardman
Season Ticket Holder Chicago Blackhawks |
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Location: Henderson, NV Joined: 01.16.2016
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They have about $10 million more to shed. Don't be surprised with how little they get back for their players. |
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Antilles
St Louis Blues |
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Joined: 10.17.2008
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Yikes, that is some fine economic illiteracy. I hope you have a good government/union job. - RonPielep
Meh, I remembered what each team is getting between Vegas & Seattle combined instead of just from one. Of course, you could have politely pointed out 30m was incorrect, rather than be a Richard. |
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Garfield512
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: I'm a figment of your imagination. Joined: 11.09.2006
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In order to do that, trades are necessary, but that's hard to do when you made a league full of General Managers look silly during the 2017 Expansion Draft.
... - Jeff Paul
Can't deny that he did a good job in 2017 but he's made some serious blunders since then.
On 26 February 2018, Tomas Tatar was traded to the Vegas Golden Knights in exchange for a first-round pick in 2018, a second-round pick in 2019 and a third-round pick in 2021.
Then on September 10, 2018, he turned around and traded the same Tatar, Nick Suzuki, and a 2019 second round draft pick for Max Pacioretty.
So in essence, he gave away:
- Tomas Tatar, Nick Suzuki (1st round pick), another first round pick, 2 second round picks and finally a third round pick ... all this to finally end up with Max Pacioretty.
- In 2018-2019, Pacioretty had 40 point in 66 games while Tatar had 58 points in 80 games.
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And now he's over the salary cap by a large amount and has to basically give away some players to comply with the rules.
I would call that piss poor asset management if you ask me ... if I was a Knight's fan, I would be asking for his head on a platter.
He's the one looking very silly right now. |
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RonPielep
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Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer Joined: 08.21.2014
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Meh, I remembered what each team is getting between Vegas & Seattle combined instead of just from one. Of course, you could have politely pointed out 30m was incorrect, rather than be a Richard. - Antilles
Still not getting it for 400.
PS. No owner payed 15M for a single season of Perron and no NHL franchise is worth the sum of their players’ salaries. Think well north of that. Also, please consider other factors before equating a franchise buy-in to the sum of contracts obtained. |
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Can't deny that he did a good job in 2017 but he's made some serious blunders since then.
On 26 February 2018, Tomas Tatar was traded to the Vegas Golden Knights in exchange for a first-round pick in 2018, a second-round pick in 2019 and a third-round pick in 2021.
Then on September 10, 2018, he turned around and traded the same Tatar, Nick Suzuki, and a 2019 second round draft pick for Max Pacioretty.
So in essence, he gave away:
- Tomas Tatar, Nick Suzuki (1st round pick), another first round pick, 2 second round picks and finally a third round pick ... all this to finally end up with Max Pacioretty.
- In 2018-2019, Pacioretty had 40 point in 66 games while Tatar had 58 points in 80 games.
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And now he's over the salary cap by a large amount and has to basically give away some players to comply with the rules.
I would call that piss poor asset management if you ask me ... if I was a Knight's fan, I would be asking for his head on a platter.
He's the one looking very silly right now. - Garfield512
i understand that your point is that the trade was bad, and i'm not disputing that, but i HATE when people analyze trades like that. it makes ZERO sense.
he didn't trade tatar AND a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.......tatar was those picks. McPhee never had Tatar and those picks, he turned those picks into tatar.
it's like people who say that ottawa traded turris, girard, kamanev, bowers, 1st.......the reality isn't that. ottawa never had turris AND girard/kamanev....they turned turris into those players and then flipped them to Colorado.
it's a stupid way to analyze trades, makes no sense at all. when a gm trades a player away, you can't say that he's trading that player, plus every asset ever used to acquire him. |
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leafsfann
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: 05.11.2014
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And now he's over the salary cap by a large amount and has to basically give away some players to comply with the rules.
I would call that piss poor asset management if you ask me ... if I was a Knight's fan, I would be asking for his head on a platter.
He's the one looking very silly right now.
This is the same man who traded Forsberg for Erat. He seems to love burning future assets for guys on the peak or decline. Should have been the Leafs GM 30 years ago. |
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Not_Yan
St Louis Blues |
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Location: it's an excellent product, easier, quicker, and even better than real mashed potatoes. Joined: 04.19.2013
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i understand that your point is that the trade was bad, and i'm not disputing that, but i HATE when people analyze trades like that. it makes ZERO sense.
he didn't trade tatar AND a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.......tatar was those picks. McPhee never had Tatar and those picks, he turned those picks into tatar.
it's like people who say that ottawa traded turris, girard, kamanev, bowers, 1st.......the reality isn't that. ottawa never had turris AND girard/kamanev....they turned turris into those players and then flipped them to Colorado.
it's a stupid way to analyze trades, makes no sense at all. when a gm trades a player away, you can't say that he's trading that player, plus every asset ever used to acquire him. - sensarmy_11
sensarmy_11, I've been seeing you everywhere on this site lately and I have to say that you take this talking hockey thing way too seriously.
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kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA Joined: 09.29.2010
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sensarmy_11, I've been seeing you everywhere on this site lately and I have to say that you take this talking hockey thing way too seriously. - Not_Yan
lol... |
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For those who prefer Eakin gone I have a feeling you may still get your wish. Him and a couple others |
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Jeff Paul
Vegas Golden Knights |
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Location: Las Vegas, NV Joined: 11.02.2018
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Can't deny that he did a good job in 2017 but he's made some serious blunders since then.
On 26 February 2018, Tomas Tatar was traded to the Vegas Golden Knights in exchange for a first-round pick in 2018, a second-round pick in 2019 and a third-round pick in 2021.
Then on September 10, 2018, he turned around and traded the same Tatar, Nick Suzuki, and a 2019 second round draft pick for Max Pacioretty.
So in essence, he gave away:
- Tomas Tatar, Nick Suzuki (1st round pick), another first round pick, 2 second round picks and finally a third round pick ... all this to finally end up with Max Pacioretty.
- In 2018-2019, Pacioretty had 40 point in 66 games while Tatar had 58 points in 80 games.
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And now he's over the salary cap by a large amount and has to basically give away some players to comply with the rules.
I would call that piss poor asset management if you ask me ... if I was a Knight's fan, I would be asking for his head on a platter.
He's the one looking very silly right now. - Garfield512
I don't disagree, but the end product is pretty solid right now, depending on what he does this summer. I was referring strictly to the Expansion Draft and there's a decent amount of bitter GMs.
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Yosimar89
Vegas Golden Knights |
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Location: Las Vegas, NV Joined: 05.11.2010
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Sad to see him go, but it was necessary and I rather see him go than someone like Smith.
They still need to make another move, who do you think it will be Jeff? |
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Garfield512
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: I'm a figment of your imagination. Joined: 11.09.2006
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I don't disagree, but the end product is pretty solid right now, depending on what he does this summer. I was referring strictly to the Expansion Draft and there's a decent amount of bitter GMs. - Jeff Paul
Can't argue that ... but that's a lot of wasted assets. |
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Tyler Cameron
Season Ticket Holder Chicago Blackhawks |
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 10.31.2017
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For those who prefer Eakin gone I have a feeling you may still get your wish. Him and a couple others - Hardbalz
Blackhawks will take him. |
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sensarmy_11, I've been seeing you everywhere on this site lately and I have to say that you take this talking hockey thing way too seriously. - Not_Yan
Dude....I’m just really bored at work |
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Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 04.22.2014
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Can't argue that ... but that's a lot of wasted assets. - Garfield512
Is it wasted when you've agreed the product is solid right now? Isnt that what you want?
I didnt think the 3 picks for Tatar but now Vegas has legit 2 first lines. They have a real chance to win |
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ItHossaGood
Season Ticket Holder Chicago Blackhawks |
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Location: San Diego, CA Joined: 06.09.2015
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I think it is one of Eakin, Stastny, or Smith to go next, one will likely be bundled with Horton's contract.
However, I would not be surprised if Patches is dealt. It is more cap relief, he's been injury prone, and the signing of Stone makes him a little tiny bit expendable.
Reaves is way too popular to the fans to trade IMO. |
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Jeff Paul
Vegas Golden Knights |
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Location: Las Vegas, NV Joined: 11.02.2018
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