After July 1 Zaitsev's actual $$ works out to about 3.9 per year.

I smell value ....

Also - any team trying to woo Dreger's love child better be prepared to write some big signing bonus cheques .....like 25+ million in the next 12 months.
- The Law

It franking kills me to say this, but I think the Leafs are better off keeping Zaitsev.

We have no defence right now, and anyone we try to get to replace him will probably cost more.

Gawd darnit!

It franking kills me to say this, but I think the Leafs are better off keeping Zaitsev.

We have no defence right now, and anyone we try to get to replace him will probably cost more.

Gawd darnit!
- Atomic Wedgie

I'm surprisingly okay with either Avenue they decide. I personally have set my expectations this year as wild card spot.

Many teams take a step back or two before pushing. St. Louis had it happen.

My wife's hairdresser's cousin is next door neighbours with a guy who bowls with the husband of a real estate agent.

McAvoy is currently in Toronto, shopping for a house.
- Atomic Wedgie

give me a break.


if he doesn't know he should be renting, then we need to pass.

It franking kills me to say this, but I think the Leafs are better off keeping Zaitsev.

We have no defence right now, and anyone we try to get to replace him will probably cost more.

Gawd darnit!
- Atomic Wedgie

Honestly, we may have to... We won't find many top 4 RHD with a lower cap hit than Zaitsev.

Landsberg is just doing his job. However, I appreciate that Hayes on Overdrive openly admits he loves the chaos and wants it because then he has content.

I figure Carlo is trying to suggest he "earned" his right because it's in the CBA for RFAs

I said it before and noone believed me but when the negotiations for the next CBA comes up I guarantee this RFA stuff will be addressed. Limit dollars...length...something. the older players who are 27 and 28 are going to be squeezed and they wont like it. Think Kap or Johnsson are worth 4? They probably are but cant get it.
- Aaron_85

Probably the route for the owners to take would be to increase the length of entry level contracts. The players are all such self-centered bastards, they have no problem putting salary restrictions on rookies, because rookies don't get to vote in the CBA, as they aren't players yet.

It's easier to get the players to vote for bumping up all new ELCs to four years than to try to put wage restraints on 2nd contracts.

It franking kills me to say this, but I think the Leafs are better off keeping Zaitsev.

We have no defence right now, and anyone we try to get to replace him will probably cost more.

Gawd darnit!
- Atomic Wedgie

at least the Leafs have a lot of cap space to fill their needs on D.

Dude.

He signed his ELC when he was 19 and played that year, like you said. He played 4 AHL and 6 NHL games. 6 NHL games. Not 10. That doesn't count as a year of experience, but it does count as burning a year off of your ELC. The point you're referencing, would be if he had not played in 16-17 and debuted in 17-18. In that case, because he turned 20 in December, that year would've counted as a year of professional experience if he played 10 games or more in any professional league. It does not apply when you're 18-19 and playing in the AHL that year. 18 or 19 years of age 100% applies here.
- RickJames77

Can you even play in the HAL when you are 18 or 19?
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at least the Leafs have a lot of cap space to fill their needs on D.
- Symba007

And seven first round picks in the next four years - I hope we draft well.

Can you even play in the HAL when you are 18 or 19?
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- bobbyisno1

As long as you didn't play in the CHL.

It franking kills me to say this, but I think the Leafs are better off keeping Zaitsev.

We have no defence right now, and anyone we try to get to replace him will probably cost more.

Gawd darnit!
- Atomic Wedgie

And seven first round picks in the next four years - I hope we draft well.
- Atomic Wedgie

4 1st round picks from San Jose?

Probably the route for the owners to take would be to increase the length of entry level contracts. The players are all such self-centered bastards, they have no problem putting salary restrictions on rookies, because rookies don't get to vote in the CBA, as they aren't players yet.

It's easier to get the players to vote for bumping up all new ELCs to four years than to try to put wage restraints on 2nd contracts.
- Atomic Wedgie

That's another way to do it. Either way contracts will change for sure.

It franking kills me to say this, but I think the Leafs are better off keeping Zaitsev.

We have no defence right now, and anyone we try to get to replace him will probably cost more.

Gawd darnit!
- Atomic Wedgie

I think he's currently caught in no-man's land anyway where the only plausible option is to keep him. He wants out because he doesn't like the criticism he's been receiving.

His value based on his average play since he signed the contract is not up to the worth of the contract. Even after July 1. So . . . we won't get fair return for him. Or we have to pay something to do him a favour and move him. He hasn't done us any favours to deserve one in return.

But the Zaitsev who played so well with Muzzin late last year, could continue to do so this year which would improve his value considerably. At which point, people will stop complaining about him, and he won't want to be traded anymore.

Then when he's happy . . . THEN we trade him.

As long as you didn't play in the CHL.
- Atomic Wedgie

Where did he play?
College is usually four years.

Dude.

He signed his ELC when he was 19 and played that year, like you said. He played 4 AHL and 6 NHL games. 6 NHL games. Not 10. That doesn't count as a year of experience, but it does count as burning a year off of your ELC. The point you're referencing, would be if he had not played in 16-17 and debuted in 17-18. In that case, because he turned 20 in December, that year would've counted as a year of professional experience if he played 10 games or more in any professional league. It does not apply when you're 18-19 and playing in the AHL that year. 18 or 19 years of age 100% applies here.
- RickJames77

Turned 20: Dec 2017
Signed Contract: April 2017.

McAvoy was not "Player aged 20 or older, (or who but did turn 20 between September 16 and December 31 of the year in which he signs his first SPC, so he earned a year of professional experience by playing ten (4 ahl and 6 nhl playoff games) or more Professional Games under an SPC in a given League Year. "

I think he's currently caught in no-man's land anyway where the only plausible option is to keep him. He wants out because he doesn't like the criticism he's been receiving.

His value based on his average play since he signed the contract is not up to the worth of the contract. Even after July 1. So . . . we won't get fair return for him. Or we have to pay something to do him a favour and move him. He hasn't done us any favours to deserve one in return.

But the Zaitsev who played so well with Muzzin late last year, could continue to do so this year which would improve his value considerably. At which point, people will stop complaining about him, and he won't want to be traded anymore.

Then when he's happy . . . THEN we trade him.
- Monkeypunk

As per the bolded, I think (or am at least speculating) that this has been waaaaaay overblown by the media.

He gave an interview to a Russian paper where he vented about the pressure of playing in the Toronto fishbowl. That's probably to be expected.

If you look at the initial reports, they also talk about a "personal situation" or "personal reasons." I don't want to speculate about it, because I frankly have no idea what that means and it would be poopy to take uneducated guesses, but we've certainly seen this before (Roberts, Iafrate, etc.) where things outside of hockey make a guy want a new start.

As per the bolded, I think (or am at least speculating) that this has been waaaaaay overblown by the media.

He gave an interview to a Russian paper where he vented about the pressure of playing in the Toronto fishbowl. That's probably to be expected.

If you look at the initial reports, they also talk about a "personal situation" or "personal reasons." I don't want to speculate about it, because I frankly have no idea what that means and it would be poopy to take uneducated guesses, but we've certainly seen this before (Roberts, Iafrate, etc.) where things outside of hockey make a guy want a new start.
- Atomic Wedgie

Who cares, suck it up butter cup and oblige your contract.

Where did he play?
College is usually four years.
- bobbyisno1

Two years at Boston University.

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...s/pdisplay.php?pid=170322

4 1st round picks from San Jose?
- Symba.007

Ottawa.

Wacky question of the day:

Would you bring back Marleau at $1 million X 1 year?

Wacky question of the day:

Would you bring back Marleau at $1 million X 1 year?
- Atomic Wedgie

No chance. There are better wingers for even less than that that can take his spot.

Babcock will stick him as a top 6 forward no matter how much he's getting.

Wacky question of the day:

Would you bring back Marleau at $1 million X 1 year?
- Atomic Wedgie

No. I think the leafs have enough players to fill the forward depth.

As per the bolded, I think (or am at least speculating) that this has been waaaaaay overblown by the media.

He gave an interview to a Russian paper where he vented about the pressure of playing in the Toronto fishbowl. That's probably to be expected.

If you look at the initial reports, they also talk about a "personal situation" or "personal reasons." I don't want to speculate about it, because I frankly have no idea what that means and it would be poopy to take uneducated guesses, but we've certainly seen this before (Roberts, Iafrate, etc.) where things outside of hockey make a guy want a new start.
- Atomic Wedgie

Personal issues could partly explain the big drop-off in his play after rookie year. The huge contract is reason enough but... it was like a completely different player

As per the bolded, I think (or am at least speculating) that this has been waaaaaay overblown by the media.

He gave an interview to a Russian paper where he vented about the pressure of playing in the Toronto fishbowl. That's probably to be expected.

If you look at the initial reports, they also talk about a "personal situation" or "personal reasons." I don't want to speculate about it, because I frankly have no idea what that means and it would be poopy to take uneducated guesses, but we've certainly seen this before (Roberts, Iafrate, etc.) where things outside of hockey make a guy want a new start.
- Atomic Wedgie

If there are other reasons, that's his business, I agree. Unfortunately, if he wants to continue to play in the NHL, then he has to be someone we can move for fair value. He can also pack his crap and return to the KHL and bring about your favourite mutual termination arrangement.

Wacky question of the day:

Would you bring back Marleau at $1 million X 1 year?
- Atomic Wedgie

No, because babs would try and put him on Matthews wing again. He’ll play him to many minutes too.