Yes, but I think someone mentioned that the transfer agreement between the SHL and NHL is a lot more friendly. I think the Canucks could buy out his SHL deal, but don’t quote me on that.

Frankly, I’d rather keep prospects away from the AHL as long as possible. So far there’s been more negative than positive stories/development under Cull. I’m sceptical about him lasting very long in Utica
- Nucker101

I've been talking about Cull as well.

I brought up the episode of the Saturday prospect show(couple of months ago) where they broke down everything to compare ice time, placement and starts and discussed it for the entire show. I had the usual replies that players had to earn ice time etc but I don't think they understood. There were lots of puzzles. Prospects who had very respectable numbers for their ice time would get busted down to barely any minutes or scratched. Others who sucked balls were getting played more. There were a lot of question marks and then you have players complaining about not getting chances and/or bolting. I agree... I'm not very trustful of the development crew in Utica right now.

I've been talking about Cull as well.

I brought up the episode of the Saturday prospect show(couple of months ago) where they broke down everything to compare ice time, placement and starts and discussed it for the entire show. I had the usual replies that players had to earn ice time etc but I don't think they understood. There were lots of puzzles. Prospects who had very respectable numbers for their ice time would get busted down to barely any minutes or scratched. Others who sucked balls were getting played more. There were a lot of question marks and then you have players complaining about not getting chances and/or bolting. I agree... I'm not very trustful of the development crew in Utica right now.
- boonerbuck

Interesting. If that same story repeats itself this year then I cannot see him sticking around.

I wonder how Scott Walker being let go fits into all of this.

It only works out to 2.2m doesnt it? His salary comes off the hit? It complicates things but let's not get carried away... this is not a Toronto situation over 2.2m. There's plenty of fat that can be trimmed over the next 3 off seasons.

If it's still JB's team after 2 more seasons, I'm confident he'll make space for ELC's if they make the team. He has been true to that all along. If it's a different GM... well who knows. Fu*k face Gillis traded Grabner right after he had a 4 goal pre season game as a throw in toss away for a crippled vet. Who knows what the next GM will be like.
- boonerbuck

The total cap hit is just over $3m, but the change is only $2.2 because of the retained salary. So retained salary goes away, but full recapture penalty applies.

The total cap hit is just over $3m, but the change is only $2.2 because of the retained salary. So retained salary goes away, but full recapture penalty applies.
- 1970vintage

Makes sense and makes it a little less bad!

I found this quote interesting.

"John Madden says he weighed 150 pounds when entered the University of Michigan in 1993, and graduated four years later at 190 pounds."

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...s-proving-doubters-wrong/

Could you imagine Tyler around that weight?

Maybe Hoglander too
- VANTEL

190 ib tyler madden

This 3m cap hit... on a player who demanded a trade...who is retired....makes my head hurt. (frank) you Betteman... (frank) you Gillis... and FA if Gillis' accusation is true.

If there is any talk of Lu making the ring of honor... I'll puke.

I dont think anyone who demanded out makes the so called honor. Sorry Pavel, love ya but that includes you. Kesler... give me a break. If those 3 are on it... it should be called Ring Worm of Honor.


- boonerbuck

The thing that really sucks is that when Luongo contract was signed and ratified there was no rule in place for cap recapture. That came after, which may have been the following cba. Personally i see this as grossly unfair to the canucks who negotiated the contract under certain rules yet were affected by rules that came later. You'd think it would have grandfathered his contract in fairness but no.
Personally I feel the canucks have an argument against.

The thing that really sucks is that when Luongo contract was signed and ratified there was no rule in place for cap recapture. That came after, which may have been the following cba. Personally i see this as grossly unfair to the canucks who negotiated the contract under certain rules yet were affected by rules that came later. You'd think it would have grandfathered his contract in fairness but no.
Personally I feel the canucks have an argument against.
- SMBDragon

I agree — there is only a couple of contracts where this penalty could have applied, and retroactively imposing it on the Canucks & Devils (Kovalchuk, $250K per season until 2025) seems worthy of a challenge.

I’ll admit that I was wrong on Lu actually retiring (despite the media reports) as LTIR seemed both viable and also paid him more. Reading his open letter, seems pretty clear he decided he didn’t want to continue the grind.

Unfortunate.

Haula for Roy and a conditional 5th.

Oh man I have a pizza hangover.

Oh man, talked to my buddy who’s a ref in the show, even he can’t believe the JTM trade. And he said TM is so slow, and bad, maybe a 4M guy, not 7M.

If this happens it’s going to feel a lot like the oilers 😬😳 making desperation moves

Oh man, talked to my buddy who’s a ref in the show, even he can’t believe the JTM trade. And he said TM is so slow, and bad, maybe a 4M guy, not 7M.

If this happens it’s going to feel a lot like the oilers 😬😳 making desperation moves
- canucksfan1944

It already does.

The thing that really sucks is that when Luongo contract was signed and ratified there was no rule in place for cap recapture. That came after, which may have been the following cba. Personally i see this as grossly unfair to the canucks who negotiated the contract under certain rules yet were affected by rules that came later. You'd think it would have grandfathered his contract in fairness but no.
Personally I feel the canucks have an argument against.
- SMBDragon

This is 100% on the league ...it’s not Luongos fault or Gillis or anyone else

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- VANTEL

It can still be fought.

This is 100% on the league ...it’s not Luongos fault or Gillis or anyone else
- Redmile247

From my understanding yesterday Luongo wanted to get the money from the rest of his contract and go on LTIR. Fla wanted the cap space to go after Panarin and Bob. They told Lou they are not putting him on LTIR.

Most teams will put their player on LTIR when the recapture penalty is against their team. Lu wanted to be traded from Vancouver so I side with Booner on this . I do blame all sides . Lu NHL and Gillis.

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- VANTEL

The league has to approve any deal made. It was on them not to approve them at the time, not come back on the teams later.

The league has to approve any deal made. It was on them not to approve them at the time, not come back on the teams later.
- golfingsince

a contract that was ruled valid (accepted and registered) is then ruled invalid years later by the same decision maker and retroactively punished.

seems fair.

The league has to approve any deal made. It was on them not to approve them at the time, not come back on the teams later.
- golfingsince

I agree . The thing I don't want is Canucks to be the one leading this fight against the NHL. Shea Weber and Suter and Parise are going to screw their teams.

If the Canucks are held to it I would like the NHL to go back and put the teams that have placed players on LTIR on the recapture also. That is one hell of a coincidence that every player that signed one of those had a career ending injury.

What applies to one applies to all.

a contract that was ruled valid (accepted and registered) is then ruled invalid years later by the same decision maker and retroactively punished.

seems fair.
- RealityChecker

And yet every other team aside from NJ with a minimal penalty has found another way to circumvent it. It's a sham.

I agree . The thing I don't want is Canucks to be the one leading this fight against the NHL. Shea Weber and Suter and Parise are going to screw their teams.

If the Canucks are held to it I would like the NHL to go back and put the teams that have placed players on LTIR on the recapture also. That is one hell of a coincidence that every player that signed one of those had a career ending injury.

What applies to one applies to all.
- VANTEL

Ya, I'm hoping they fight it. It's beyond stupid.

Wasn't Pronger on LTIR and hired/working for the NHL at the same time?

Ya, I'm hoping they fight it. It's beyond stupid.

Wasn't Pronger on LTIR and hired/working for the NHL at the same time?
- NewYorkNuck

Yup he was.

He complained of concussion symptoms . So he complains that he has brain problems and the NHL hire him in charge of player safety and rules.

The league has to approve any deal made. It was on them not to approve them at the time, not come back on the teams later.
- golfingsince

This^

And yet every other team aside from NJ with a minimal penalty has found another way to circumvent it. It's a sham.
- golfingsince

if fla wanted to save money, why not trade him back? it kinda sounded like luongo retired to help out fla. trading him back here would benefit everybody.

it's an odd situation.

Ya, I'm hoping they fight it. It's beyond stupid.

Wasn't Pronger on LTIR and hired/working for the NHL at the same time?
- NewYorkNuck

wasn't he then still on LTIR and then working in the front office of another team?

sometimes the league feels like a soap opera where everyone eventually sleeps with everyone else on the show.

just the cherry on this sundae: pronger got voted into the hall of fame while being on LTIR. yes, he was an "active" player getting a cheque and got voted into the hall.