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Bettmanhatesus
Joined: 08.10.2016

Jun 26 @ 7:58 PM ET
I think we are getting close to the best Canucks team ever here. Funny how different opinions can be.

I don't ever recall a Dman like Hughes or a player like Petey( Bure) .

- VANTEL

people love to be negative and moan and groan, female dog and complain should have seen my workplace 1 guy came in with a bag over his head, I coudnt stop laughing
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jun 26 @ 8:02 PM ET
The recapture has a minimal effect on the team
- Nighthawk


Easy to say in year one of facing it. How's that going to look in year 3 if LE is still on the books? That's 9M in dead cap money, no matter which way you slice it it's going to hurt. Throw an overpaid top 4D or two in there and you're approaching cap hell.
DrChristianTroy
Location: 2028 Stanley Cup Champions
Joined: 11.10.2006

Jun 26 @ 8:04 PM ET
The recapture has a minimal effect on the team
- Nighthawk


That $ could have put Gusev on Petey’s LW... But ok.
Shuswap Wap
Location: BC
Joined: 02.07.2018

Jun 26 @ 8:05 PM ET
To quote a school mate of mine Alfred

Is It Better to Have Loved and Lost Than Never to Have Loved at All?

- VANTEL

Or.......
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 26 @ 8:11 PM ET
Easy to say in year one of facing it. How's that going to look in year 3 if LE is still on the books? That's 9M in dead cap money, no matter which way you slice it it's going to hurt. Throw an overpaid top 4D or two in there and you're approaching cap hell.
- golfingsince

Yes the pitfalls of UFA’s is the concern mostly.
Bettmanhatesus
Joined: 08.10.2016

Jun 26 @ 8:11 PM ET
Easy to say in year one of facing it. How's that going to look in year 3 if LE is still on the books? That's 9M in dead cap money, no matter which way you slice it it's going to hurt. Throw an overpaid top 4D or two in there and you're approaching cap hell.
- golfingsince

a lot of if's in 3 years.
Shuswap Wap
Location: BC
Joined: 02.07.2018

Jun 26 @ 8:12 PM ET
Condo hunting in Utica
- Nighthawk

More like job hunting.....
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jun 26 @ 8:19 PM ET
a lot of if's in 3 years.
- Bettmanhatesus


Well we're talking about signing Myers and just expecting somebody to take LE for peanuts. I'd say given how we just acquired salary for a 1st round draft pick and have handed out contracts to LE, Sutter, Beagle and Gudbranson it really isn't a stretch at all.

Less than a year ago many people thought Beagle's deal wouldn't have financial ramifications. That's 12 Million for LE, Beagle and Luongo in 3 years. The only one that Benning knew about when he got hired was the possibility of Lu's cap hit. Even if the cap is at $90M that's about 13.5 % of max salary cap for those 3 players.

Let that set in.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 26 @ 8:24 PM ET
That $ could have put Gusev on Petey’s LW... But ok.
- DrChristianTroy

Going with a mish mash D & get another F i’d do. Only trade would change that. I’d stay away from UFA D if not a bargain. Any other F’s on your mind?

Edler Stetcher
Hughes Tanev
Sautner Rafferty
Schenn

OJ called up when 100%
classic321
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.04.2012

Jun 26 @ 8:25 PM ET
What are the odds of Myers getting a front loaded contract from Benning and then retiring early.
- A_SteamingLombardi



odds are about 99%
He's about to turn 30 during next season

Always Always give out long term deals to guys about to turn 30.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 26 @ 8:28 PM ET
Gotta cheap out on D cap allocation & wait for OJ & Woo & Rathbone to marinade into the line-up. The F’s in the pipeline are similar when Vet contract start expiring.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 26 @ 8:29 PM ET
people love to be negative and moan and groan, female dog and complain should have seen my workplace 1 guy came in with a bag over his head, I coudnt stop laughing
- Bettmanhatesus

Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 26 @ 8:30 PM ET
odds are about 99%
He's about to turn 30 during next season

Always Always give out long term deals to guys about to turn 30.

- classic321

4/5.5m my offer if insulted or not idc.
The sell is in coming here & it’s business.
Bettmanhatesus
Joined: 08.10.2016

Jun 26 @ 8:31 PM ET
Well we're talking about signing Myers and just expecting somebody to take LE for peanuts. I'd say given how we just acquired salary for a 1st round draft pick and have handed out contracts to LE, Sutter, Beagle and Gudbranson it really isn't a stretch at all.

Less than a year ago many people thought Beagle's deal wouldn't have financial ramifications. That's 12 Million for LE, Beagle and Luongo in 3 years. The only one that Benning knew about when he got hired was the possibility of Lu's cap hit. Even if the cap is at $90M that's about 13.5 % of max salary cap for those 3 players.

Let that set in.

- golfingsince

From a positive perspective we are moving in the right direction. 5 years ago we had a rookie in bo horvat and a bunch of aging vets with NTC/NMC'S with zippo in the pipeline, sure mistakes were made as it turned out but if we could all tell the future we would all be rich
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jun 26 @ 8:31 PM ET
people love to be negative and moan and groan, female dog and complain should have seen my workplace 1 guy came in with a bag over his head, I coudnt stop laughing
- Bettmanhatesus


It really doesn't matter if you have elite talent if you can't support it. Filling spots with overpaid veterans when you have entry level deals that can provide similar results allows you to add/keep impact players.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 26 @ 8:34 PM ET
Well we're talking about signing Myers and just expecting somebody to take LE for peanuts. I'd say given how we just acquired salary for a 1st round draft pick and have handed out contracts to LE, Sutter, Beagle and Gudbranson it really isn't a stretch at all.

Less than a year ago many people thought Beagle's deal wouldn't have financial ramifications. That's 12 Million for LE, Beagle and Luongo in 3 years. The only one that Benning knew about when he got hired was the possibility of Lu's cap hit. Even if the cap is at $90M that's about 13.5 % of max salary cap for those 3 players.

Let that set in.

- golfingsince


Your top 6 has 5 of its players in line for the next 3 years .Sutter Baertschi Edler Tanev Spooner Staller all off the books. That is not taking into account the cap increase or Loui.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 26 @ 8:34 PM ET
It really doesn't matter if you have elite talent if you can't support it. Filling spots with overpaid veterans when you have entry level deals that can provide similar results allows you to add/keep impact players.
- golfingsince

Here’s to hoping they go to Utica
LE Schaller Spooner it’s a start & spots for prospects like MacEwen. At least 2 contracts off next years books. $5m
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jun 26 @ 8:34 PM ET
From a positive perspective we are moving in the right direction. 5 years ago we had a rookie in bo horvat and a bunch of aging vets with NTC/NMC'S with zippo in the pipeline, sure mistakes were made as it turned out but if we could all tell the future we would all be rich
- Bettmanhatesus


Yeah, it's great to have an injection of youth in the lineup. However, it will turn to nothing if we can't keep some of it or have roster holes because we're overpaying positions.

Everybody, and I mean everybody hates LE. By the end, just about everybody hated EG. Our answer to this is to go out and overpay Myers? WTF man? You can just about kiss everything goodbye if you lock onto this guy for high salary.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 26 @ 8:39 PM ET
Yeah, it's great to have an injection of youth in the lineup. However, it will turn to nothing if we can't keep some of it or have roster holes because we're overpaying positions.

Everybody, and I mean everybody hates LE. By the end, just about everybody hated EG. Our answer to this is to go out and overpay Myers? WTF man? You can just about kiss everything goodbye if you lock onto this guy for high salary.

- golfingsince

That 2.2m cap we lost has to be accounted for now. Spending just got toned down i hope.
Bettmanhatesus
Joined: 08.10.2016

Jun 26 @ 8:39 PM ET
Yeah, it's great to have an injection of youth in the lineup. However, it will turn to nothing if we can't keep some of it or have roster holes because we're overpaying positions.

Everybody, and I mean everybody hates LE. By the end, just about everybody hated EG. Our answer to this is to go out and overpay Myers? WTF man? You can just about kiss everything goodbye if you lock onto this guy for high salary.

- golfingsince

jt miller is a good contract, myers isn't done your speculating, gudbranson,LE,sutter,granlund a few others will be gone.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 26 @ 8:40 PM ET
jt miller is a good contract, myers isn't done your speculating, gudbranson,LE,sutter,granlund a few others will be gone.
- Bettmanhatesus

Pressure is on to trade Sutter
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jun 26 @ 8:42 PM ET
Luongo should have announced his retirement next week after we signed Myers at 7x7.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jun 26 @ 8:42 PM ET
Your top 6 has 5 of its players in line for the next 3 years .Sutter Baertschi Edler Tanev Spooner Staller all off the books. That is not taking into account the cap increase or Loui.
- VANTEL


Schaller doesn't even count, that's $1M if we sign an entry level replacement player. Entry level guys now are going to need contracts. You can't expect guys like Gaudette , Juolevi etc. to produce and pay them like bums.

Edler still provides something, so you have to replace what he brings. For a team so many years into a rebuild where the absolute only contract still signed by Gillis is haunting them is Lu's, they're not in a good cap situation moving forward. BTW, at 90M Lu's penalty would only be about 3% of the cap.
Bettmanhatesus
Joined: 08.10.2016

Jun 26 @ 8:43 PM ET
Well we're talking about signing Myers and just expecting somebody to take LE for peanuts. I'd say given how we just acquired salary for a 1st round draft pick and have handed out contracts to LE, Sutter, Beagle and Gudbranson it really isn't a stretch at all.

Less than a year ago many people thought Beagle's deal wouldn't have financial ramifications. That's 12 Million for LE, Beagle and Luongo in 3 years. The only one that Benning knew about when he got hired was the possibility of Lu's cap hit. Even if the cap is at $90M that's about 13.5 % of max salary cap for those 3 players.

Let that set in.

- golfingsince

GM'S need to get together and stop these monstrous ufa contracts, make it a limit of 4 years.
Bettmanhatesus
Joined: 08.10.2016

Jun 26 @ 8:45 PM ET
Yeah, it's great to have an injection of youth in the lineup. However, it will turn to nothing if we can't keep some of it or have roster holes because we're overpaying positions.

Everybody, and I mean everybody hates LE. By the end, just about everybody hated EG. Our answer to this is to go out and overpay Myers? WTF man? You can just about kiss everything goodbye if you lock onto this guy for high salary.

- golfingsince

could you imagine HB if we signed karlsson to that deal.
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