Also, on this. TT doesn't look bulked up to me
- jcragcrumple

Still has the whole summer so we’ll see

I’m More interested to see if Casey took things seriously

He did not say that at any point what so ever. Nor has anyone else.
- TheSabresTaco

Thank you.

He did shoot at a 16.6% rate, which I doubt he would repeat (11.2 the previous year and 7.7 the year after before getting hurt). And while he did have a career year in Vegas with 53 points, he also managed to be on the ice for 80 goals against. Would you be happy if he was on the ice for more than a goal against every single game?
I understand some people want the Sabres to make every single trade, but this is getting a little carried away.
There will be better players available from the teams that are struggling with the cap.
The sky is not falling because we didn't trade for Haula.
- adambuffalo

That's generally the case for top 6 forwards

Still has the whole summer so we’ll see

I’m More interested to see if Casey took things seriously
- gerbe75pts

Idk how much you can even learn from these things. I noticed Olgelvie a few times which probably doesn't mean anything. I noticed Bailey a ton back in the day too

Also, on this. TT doesn't look bulked up to me
- jcragcrumple

The season just ended less than two months ago. I wouldn't expect him to.

I'm sure it'll get mentioned eventually. Thanks for the camp report.
- TheSabresTaco

Perks of working nearby

This was the only trade that I really wanted in on

That one and the PK one to a lesser degree but I think that was more about the name than anything

If there isn't much done in the next 2 weeks then it could be a very long season
- Stripes77

He was a cheap middle 6 option, so if we get to next year with the same roster, I won't be surprised or feel as though folks are unjustified in complaining. Just seems obvious to me that changes will be made and July1st should start the ball rolling. There's something to be said about knowing who you would be signing before hitting the trade market hard.

PK was too expensive for me. If NSH was retaining 3M, I would have loved to see that, but not at the full 9.

Idk how much you can even learn from these things. I noticed Olgelvie a few times which probably doesn't mean anything. I noticed Bailey a ton back in the day too
- jcragcrumple

These camps are the equivalent of a college orientation. You're there to get a familiarity of the program, how the Sabres run things, what you should be working on, and so the team can get an initial gauge on how you improved from the year before. It's really not a true evaluation camp. That's what training camp is for.

He was a cheap middle 6 option, so if we get to next year with the same roster, I won't be surprised or feel as though folks are unjustified in complaining. Just seems obvious to me that changes will be made and July1st should start the ball rolling. There's something to be said about knowing who you would be signing before hitting the trade market hard.

PK was too expensive for me. If NSH was retaining 3M, I would have loved to see that, but not at the full 9.
- RhinoFan

Very cheap and that's exactly the type of moves Botts needs to make.

They don't have the prospect capital to make trades for players that have term left that will be top 6 players.

I don't want to see him throw a crap ton of money around on July 1st unless it's for Panarin or Joe P

I'm just starting to feel annoyed and anxious that's all

Idk how much you can even learn from these things. I noticed Olgelvie a few times which probably doesn't mean anything. I noticed Bailey a ton back in the day too
- jcragcrumple

Bailey was the MVP now he’s a UFA I remember people wanted to keep him

This is Borgen's 5th camp, Johansson's 6th. That's crazay

Bailey was the MVP now he’s a UFA I remember people wanted to keep him
- gerbe75pts

Bailey was too big, strong, and fast for other 18 year olds at development camp, it's too bad it never materialized into anything

Bailey was the MVP now he’s a UFA I remember people wanted to keep him
- gerbe75pts

Oh yeah first ballot d camp HOFer

This is Borgen's 5th camp, Johansson's 6th. That's crazay
- TheSabresTaco

The old NCAA and European route...get to hold their rights longer before having to sign...

You all understand that it's not a 30 person conference call where bidding happens right? I would bet the smaller deals happen rather quickly between two GMs. If mcphee got a comfortably underwhelming return for a dump, he's not going to shop around for a slightly better or just even slightly different underwhelming return for a cap dump. But seriously, DO SOMETHING BOTTS
- SDSabre

Why the hell not? That's literally his job.

These camps are the equivalent of a college orientation. You're there to get a familiarity of the program, how the Sabres run things, what you should be working on, and so the team can get an initial gauge on how you improved from the year before. It's really not a true evaluation camp. That's what training camp is for.
- TheSabresTaco

The best was Pu the first camp after he was drafted. The crowd was chanting for him. He was all amped up going a million miles an hour, but I don't think he got a single puck on the net

Good morning all. Does anyone have a link to a recap of Dev camp yesterday? Curious to hear how everyone looked.

One question: Why is development camp so short? 3 days with 2 hours ice time each day, then a 3 on 3 tournament? Sounds like fantasy camp. It should be at least a week long with triple sessions on ice and dryland training each day. Navy seal boot camp type stuff. Then scrimmages every night, maybe have some of the roster players participate in the scrimmages so we can see how the prospects play against NHLers. Then maybe you can see what these prospects are made of.
- Chris16

You're kidding, right? It's not in the CBA and the players don't do anything that's not in the CBA.

Short answer is all these guys are playing for other teams, in a lot of cases in another country overseas. It can't be super long. And as far as I know they do do off-ice stuff too, classroom sh¡t and the like. Development camp is just to come in and see the kind of shape they're in, and teach them a bit about how they run things.

The old NCAA and European route...get to hold their rights longer before having to sign...
- Stripes77

I was looking over our drafts in this decade, and the success rate of drafting CHL vs non CHL kids outside the 1st round is hilarious.

Here's a list of




Cliff Pu
Vojtech Budik
Brandon Hagel
Austin Osmanski
Devante Stephens
Giorgio Estephan
Eric Cornel
Vaclav Karabacek
Brycen Martin
Justin Bailey
Nick Baptiste
Eric Locke
Justin Kea
Logan Nelson
Brady Austin
Didn't feel like going past 2012

Now here's guys who may actually have NHL success, or minutes.
Brendan Guhle
Brendan Lemieux

"Botterill hates the CHL"

No, he doesn't. Botts hates the CHL past round 1.

I was looking over our drafts in this decade, and the success rate of drafting CHL vs non CHL kids outside the 1st round is hilarious.

Here's a list of




Cliff Pu
Vojtech Budik
Brandon Hagel
Austin Osmanski
Devante Stephens
Giorgio Estephan
Eric Cornel
Vaclav Karabacek
Brycen Martin
Justin Bailey
Nick Baptiste
Eric Locke
Justin Kea
Logan Nelson
Brady Austin
Didn't feel like going past 2012

Now here's guys who may actually have NHL success, or minutes.
Brendan Guhle
Brendan Lemieux

"Botterill hates the CHL"

No, he doesn't. Botts hates the CHL past round 1.
- TheSabresTaco

I was told Botts is bad because he prefers that route after the second round

Literally 70% of all the players drafted after round 2 are NCAA or Europeans...

You're kidding, right? It's not in the CBA and the players don't do anything that's not in the CBA.

Short answer is all these guys are playing for other teams, in a lot of cases in another country overseas. It can't be super long. And as far as I know they do do off-ice stuff too, classroom sh¡t and the like. Development camp is just to come in and see the kind of shape they're in, and teach them a bit about how they run things.
- Wetbandit1

Not to mention that the last thing you want to do is push the kids too hard and give them injuries that stretch into the season and delay their development

Why the hell not? That's literally his job.
- Wetbandit1

Analogy time: Your a fantasy football team owner. You make a "trade in principle" with someone. Do you check with the other 7 teams in your league EVERYTIME to see if you can get a better deal. I mean, after all, it's literally your job to make your team the best it can. Doubt you do, I know I don't. If you like the compensation that you are receiving, you pull the trigger. I'm guessing the other GM wouldn't like to hear "hey, sounds like we have a deal. Hold on for a couple hours/days while I call and negotiate with the other 29 clubs" It just doesn't happen bud.

So now that all of our GREAT SUCCESS CHL guys are shown, let's see the non CHL kids outside the first round who may actually have NHL success (regular minutes), 12-17

Marcus Davidsson
Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen
Oskari Laaksonen
Jacob Bryson
Rasmus Asplund
Casey Fitzgerald
William Borgen
Victor Olofsson
J.T. Compher
Calvin Petersen
Jake McCabe
Linus Ullmark

Might be a bit early on the 17's, but they're certainly trending well.

Very cheap and that's exactly the type of moves Botts needs to make.

They don't have the prospect capital to make trades for players that have term left that will be top 6 players.

I don't want to see him throw a crap ton of money around on July 1st unless it's for Panarin or Joe P

I'm just starting to feel annoyed and anxious that's all
- Stripes77

I agree that's the type of player we should target and understand the anxiousness, not the annoyance is all.

Example: (this isn't a rumor) Joe Pavelski wants to come here and same with Donskoi. They like Buffalo and their agents made Botts aware. To take them on we need the cap space. Can't grab Haula and lose out on either of those two because of it. However, we can't sign either yet too so it seems we are stagnant when in reality we're about to add a lot.

I doubt Joe or Don ends up here. I'm just saying that without knowing the FA plans, tough for me to cast too much shade at Botts. October 1st is the long haul, I'd say that this is just more of a thing for a couple weeks from now when we sign no one and no trades are made. Then we can start getting annoyed, for now, stay just a little worried my friend haha.

Analogy time: Your a fantasy football team owner. You make a "trade in principle" with someone. Do you check with the other 7 teams in your league EVERYTIME to see if you can get a better deal. I mean, after all, it's literally your job to make your team the best it can. Doubt you do, I know I don't. If you like the compensation that you are receiving, you pull the trigger. I'm guessing the other GM wouldn't like to hear "hey, sounds like we have a deal. Hold on for a couple hours/days while I call and negotiate with the other 29 clubs" It just doesn't happen bud.
- SDSabre

A) This isn't fantasy sports
B) Yes, I do check with several owners before pulling off large trades
C) See A

I was looking over our drafts in this decade, and the success rate of drafting CHL vs non CHL kids outside the 1st round is hilarious.

Here's a list of




Cliff Pu
Vojtech Budik
Brandon Hagel
Austin Osmanski
Devante Stephens
Giorgio Estephan
Eric Cornel
Vaclav Karabacek
Brycen Martin
Justin Bailey
Nick Baptiste
Eric Locke
Justin Kea
Logan Nelson
Brady Austin
Didn't feel like going past 2012

Now here's guys who may actually have NHL success, or minutes.
Brendan Guhle
Brendan Lemieux

"Botterill hates the CHL"

No, he doesn't. Botts hates the CHL past round 1.
- TheSabresTaco

So our failure draft picks Is making him avoid the CHL

Yep that makes sense smh