Yup.

I overrated having three top line centers.

I want better LWs to play with JT and Matthews...There are plenty of decent 3rd line centers out there on good contracts.

If it took Kadri to get Zucker then I would be fine with the Leafs getting Pageau as a 3C.

Also I am sick of Kadri.
- Santo_44

I'm not sick of Kadri but if you can downgrade at 3C but improve on the blueline and on the cap then it makes great sense.

I had suggested that if the Isles have trouble attracting an UFA and lose Anders Lee then something like Kadri + NZ for Pulock + Csizikas.

Yup.

I overrated having three top line centers.

I want better LWs to play with JT and Matthews...There are plenty of decent 3rd line centers out there on good contracts.

If it took Kadri to get Zucker then I would be fine with the Leafs getting Pageau as a 3C.




Also I am sick of Kadri.
- Santo_44

Having one of the best C depth in the league, is a great thing.
That can never be overated.

Im not questioning whether an offer was made.
I just pointed out that marners camp was open to discussion. People keep saying they werent.
- Fakepartofme

As they should have..

I highly doubt that Dubas was just sitting on his hands waiting for the other side to make an offer first.

We just don't know though.....

with Marners asking price it is very possible Ferris said we would love to talk but the number starts at 10....
- Santo_44

I would find it very hard to believe that Marner would balk at a 10.5 6 year deal. There's not a team in the league that would pay him that. He has to know that. No one if offer sheeting him.

Most of the non-cap urgent trades will happen on/after July 1. Teams that "miss out" (I use that term loosely) on the UFA's will then circle back to possible trades for Zaitsev.

Here's hoping Myers and Gardiner sign yuuuuge deals and teams look at Zaitsev a little differently.
- The Law

The minute Myers signs a contract, Zaitsev's value skyrockets.

Of course, it also franks the Leafs, because it means we will need to give more to get a defenceman or two.

Most of the non-cap urgent trades will happen on/after July 1. Teams that "miss out" (I use that term loosely) on the UFA's will then circle back to possible trades for Zaitsev.

Here's hoping Myers and Gardiner sign yuuuuge deals and teams look at Zaitsev a little differently.
- The Law

That comment actually has merit. Gardiner and Myers get ridiculous deals....cuz it seems to be the norm right now....and Zaitsev's deal looks sweet.

Any little bit of help to get rid of his contract would be awesome, even if it's just the optics of a low cap hit.

Good news Scabbies:

"Montreal is among the long list of teams that have reached out on pending UFA winger Wayne Simmonds." - LeBrun


- RickJames77

While the Gardiner thing is obvious, I feel like this one is a female dog of a stretch.

No barrage, i just feel that it will be difficult to find a replacement to our only really physical player and agitator who can score 30 goals and fit in easily in the 2nd line when matthews gets injured for 4.5 or under
Just my opinion
- Fakepartofme

If Matthews gets injured than Nylander moves to C.

I can see why some wouldn't want him to be the "full time 3c" but there is no reason he can't be the backup number 2C.

It's why Babs likes his wingers to be able to play C.

I'm not sick of Kadri but if you can downgrade at 3C but improve on the blueline and on the cap then it makes great sense.

I had suggested that if the Isles have trouble attracting an UFA and lose Anders Lee then something like Kadri + NZ for Pulock + Csizikas.
- The Law

I'm sick of Kadri.

How many times do you let a guy torpedo your playoff chances?

Isn't two enough?

I'm not sick of Kadri but if you can downgrade at 3C but improve on the blueline and on the cap then it makes great sense.

I had suggested that if the Isles have trouble attracting an UFA and lose Anders Lee then something like Kadri + NZ for Pulock + Csizikas.
- The Law

A 4.5 million dollar defensemen probably isn't near enough to improve the d.

Having one of the best C depth in the league, is a great thing.
That can never be overated.
- Fakepartofme

It can be if you don't know what you're talking about though.

Im not questioning whether an offer was made.
I just pointed out that marners camp was open to discussion. People keep saying they werent.
- Fakepartofme

An Agreed Statement of Facts would remedy this.

I'm sick of Kadri.

How many times do you let a guy torpedo your playoff chances?

Isn't two enough?
- Atomic Wedgie

I don't think he does those things if the club didn't trade every single tough player they had on forward.

An Agreed Statement of Facts would remedy this.
- The Law

I think both camps weren't open to discussing the numbers that were being presented.

Which makes sense given the state they are at now.
- Santo_44

Thats how negotiating goes, thats the process.
Point still remains, they were open to discuss.

I don't think he does those things if the club didn't trade every single tough player they had on forward.
- aminnes

Why the frank are you making excuses for him?

Twice he's done stupid, selfish crap that has contributed to knocking us out of the playoffs.

What, if we had Ryan Holweg on the team, Kadri doesn't do that?

Gimme a break. Teams know he is an idiot, and can be goaded into doing something colossally stupid.

Having one of the best C depth in the league, is a great thing.
That can never be overated.
- Fakepartofme

I agree its a good thing.

But I think also having better line mates for Matthews is a great thing.

I think the Leafs would benefit more having a guy like Zucker on Matthews line...a two way speed demon...Matthews is average defensively at this point. He backcheks well but he is meh in his own end.

I think having a legit 3C who puts up 40-45 points a year playing PK mins + Zucker is better than having Kadri. That is my opinion anyways.

Where do I even start?

Trade Jake Gardiner before the season started? Really? Who would we have at that time that could replace Gardiner?

If we did trade Gardiner earlier as you suggested, how would Zaitsev's role change? We would be playing him with a more inexperienced defenseman and Zaitsev will still be a more defensive role, but would have more pressure on his shoulders.

Dubas didn't cave to Nylander, and it wasn't Dubas' idea to force Nylander to hold out. We got Nylander for a cap hit less then $7M. That's a win for the Leafs.

Didn't extend Marner, because Marner's agent wanted to play out the year first. Not Dubas' fault.

Dubas did bring in Muzzin to help for the playoff run, right?

The Marleau trade was a good move. The 1st rd pick is lottery protected.. We didn't have to include a prospect or roster player.. Also, Dubas fixed a mistake by Lou Lamoriello.

Some of the moves he's made can be questioned but he hasn't created some big mess.

Did I miss anything?
- PatC80

not sure if serious or if new to hockey.

Thats how negotiating goes, thats the process.
Point still remains, they were open to discuss.
- Fakepartofme

Dubas was too. He never said he wasn't.

I'm sick of Kadri.

How many times do you let a guy torpedo your playoff chances?

Isn't two enough?
- Atomic Wedgie

Two balls, two strikes.

Why the frank are you making excuses for him?

Twice he's done stupid, selfish crap that has contributed to knocking us out of the playoffs.

What, if we had Ryan Holweg on the team, Kadri doesn't do that?

Gimme a break. Teams know he is an idiot, and can be goaded into doing something colossally stupid.
- Atomic Wedgie

Sounds like your saying he is an important guy that needs to be in the lineup. And I stand by this. He was stupid, no doubt, but when your trying to compete with Boston and your team is a bunch of pussies it's far easier to get frustrated like that.

I'm sick of Kadri.

How many times do you let a guy torpedo your playoff chances?

Isn't two enough?
- Atomic Wedgie

I think he is gone.

He has a ton of value and his time with the Leafs is up for me.

Sounds like your saying he is an important guy that needs to be in the lineup. And I stand by this. He was stupid, no doubt, but when your trying to compete with Boston and your team is a bunch of pussies it's far easier to get frustrated like that.
- aminnes

He is a known hot head on and off the ice.

Why the frank are you making excuses for him?

Twice he's done stupid, selfish crap that has contributed to knocking us out of the playoffs.

What, if we had Ryan Holweg on the team, Kadri doesn't do that?

Gimme a break. Teams know he is an idiot, and can be goaded into doing something colossally stupid.
- Atomic Wedgie

Not saying you're wrong, but in the event you're right... Trading him fresh off of it doesn't exactly scream max return on asset. He'd be a much more valuable trade chip through the season.

As they should have..

I highly doubt that Dubas was just sitting on his hands waiting for the other side to make an offer first.
- PatC80

Dunno.