That one is (frank)ing hilarious.
- AdamFrench

I hope the habs get to use as leverage with Nash

Not true. You need to have 4 picks in the next 5 years. Also, think you could get those guys under the 4 first picks threshold. Especially Aho, as Carolina is an internal cap team. And still have cap space to bring in a depth defenseman.
- floater_willy

I doubt it. They'd just match and trade somebody else to fix their budget. Plus, their owner doesn't seem like he's a penny pincher like their previous owners. Pretty sure he once said Aho was his untouchable player.

I doubt it. They'd just match and trade somebody else to fix their budget. Plus, their owner doesn't seem like he's a penny pincher like their previous owners. Pretty sure he once said Aho was his untouchable player.
- JohnFergusonJr

I know it's John Shannon reporting it so take it with a grain of salt but it's been rumored Carolina's offer to Aho was pretty low. $6 Million AAV over 8 years.
https://twitter.com/JeffV...tatus/1143318239038119939

And it's known their gate receipts and revenues make them an internal cap team. I would doubt a smart business man like Dundon would pour money down a hole.

I hope the habs get to use as leverage with Nash
- Symba007

If Weber retires before the end of his deal, Montreal will be able to bend Nashville right over and (frank) them hard!

I know it's John Shannon reporting it so take it with a grain of salt but it's been rumored Carolina's offer to Aho was pretty low. $6 Million over 8 years.
https://twitter.com/JeffV...tatus/1143318239038119939

And it's known their gate receipts and revenues make them an internal cap team. I would doubt a smart business man like Dundon would pour money down a hole.
- floater_willy

You're talking about the guy who dumped a poop pile of money into a league that folded 10 minutes later right?

I know it's John Shannon reporting it so take it with a grain of salt but it's been rumored Carolina's offer to Aho was pretty low. $6 Million AAV over 8 years.
https://twitter.com/JeffV...tatus/1143318239038119939

And it's known their gate receipts and revenues make them an internal cap team. I would doubt a smart business man like Dundon would pour money down a hole.
- floater_willy

A rich team could also put so much signing bonuses in the first 12 months 1 day that it could make it difficult as well. Plus pretty much making it lockout proof if it goes that way.

You're talking about the guy who dumped a poop pile of money into a league that folded 10 minutes later right?
- JohnFergusonJr

Yeah, the same guy who is now demanding the money back and threatening to sue in bankruptcy court to get it.
https://sports.yahoo.com/...70-million-170515645.html

You honestly think he doesn't care about losing money and is willing to just throw more away on the Canes? Fool me once.

Yeah, the same guy who is now demanding the money back and threatening to sue in bankruptcy court to get it.
https://sports.yahoo.com/...70-million-170515645.html

You honestly think he doesn't care about losing money and is willing to just throw more away on the Canes? Fool me once.
- floater_willy

Good luck getting that money back but if he was that smart he probably wouldn't have dumped 70 million into the AAF in the first place.

But that wasn't my point. My point was, he's got a lot of money and he's not afraid to spend it if he wants to spend it. He once said Aho was untouchable. The whole point of the offer sheet is to overpay so the team declines. Carolina would just match it if it was too low. And if it was high enough to get Carolina to walk away, they'd be spending close to the same it would cost to just keep Marner.

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- Symba007

Sorry Canucks!

Someone is going to pay Gardiner 7 million a year apparently. And the Oilers are interested. Will they ever learn?.

If Weber retires before the end of his deal, Montreal will be able to bend Nashville right over and (frank) them hard!
- .HOHO.

Could be $7.85 x 4 years

Good luck getting that money back but if he was that smart he probably wouldn't have dumped 70 million into the AAF in the first place.

But that wasn't my point. My point was, he's got a lot of money and he's not afraid to spend it if he wants to spend it. He once said Aho was untouchable. The whole point of the offer sheet is to overpay so the team declines. Carolina would just match it if it was too low. And if it was high enough to get Carolina to walk away, they'd be spending close to the same it would cost to just keep Marner.
- JohnFergusonJr

It's all speculation anyways, but don't think it's that cut and dry. If the Leafs made most of the contract signing bonus and front end loaded it would make the decision very difficult to match for Carolina. They don't have the revenues to put that much money out the door all at once.

Someone is going to pay Gardiner 7 million a year apparently. And the Oilers are interested. Will they ever learn?.
- aminnes

do they have the cap space?

If Weber retires before the end of his deal, Montreal will be able to bend Nashville right over and (frank) them hard!
- .HOHO.

multiyear massive cap hit including something like 27M cap hit for one year...

How many 1st round picks and top prospects is that worth?

They have 13 million in cap space with 11 forwards, 8 D and 2 goalies.

Why would they be stupid to offer sheet Marner when their need for offense is much bigger than late 1st round picks while their window of opportunity is still open?
- JohnFergusonJr

What will they offer that MM will accept?

It's all speculation anyways, but don't think it's that cut and dry. If the Leafs made most of the contract signing bonus and front end loaded it would make the decision very difficult to match for Carolina. They don't have the revenues to put that much money out the door all at once.
- floater_willy

Like I said, if buddy will dump 70 million into a league that folded 10 minutes later, why wouldn't he invest that into a player he deemed untouchable, especially after their playoff run last year? He bought that team to change it and build it, not to give up on it after a year.

Someone is going to pay Gardiner 7 million a year apparently. And the Oilers are interested. Will they ever learn?.
- aminnes

we can only hope that this happens as soon as possible...

I fear Dubas paying another GM to take Zaitsev's contract (under the guise of him being unhappy) JUST to free up dollars for Gardiner.

If that comes to pass that immediately takes Dubas into JFJ territory in mind...

What will they offer that MM will accept?
- The Law

I dunno but they can go as high as 13 without having to worry about filling out their roster because they literally have every other spot filled already.

They could always dump Turris and/or another player like they did with Subban too if they needed to.

I'm not saying they will, I'm just saying if they decided to give Marner 11.6 AAV, they A) could afford it B) stand to benefit from it C) the Leafs wouldn't get much of anything in return for Marner and therefore D) would probably be better off matching it than taking four 25th overall picks.

I doubt it. They'd just match and trade somebody else to fix their budget. Plus, their owner doesn't seem like he's a penny pincher like their previous owners. Pretty sure he once said Aho was his untouchable player.
- JohnFergusonJr

will cost them a 1st to move marleau

OUCH...
- .HOHO.

It's not that bad, but the real Ouch comes when Tampa gets a top-5 selection with Vancouver's 1st rounder

do they have the cap space?
- Symba007

I don't think they do.

we can only hope that this happens as soon as possible...

I fear Dubas paying another GM to take Zaitsev's contract (under the guise of him being unhappy) JUST to free up dollars for Gardiner.

If that comes to pass that immediately takes Dubas into JFJ territory in mind...
- BorjeFan4Ever

Oh no, I hope this is not true.

I dunno but they can go as high as 13 without having to worry about filling out their roster because they literally have every other spot filled already.

They could always dump Turris and/or another player like they did with Subban too if they needed to.

I'm not saying they will, I'm just saying if they decided to give Marner 11.6 AAV, they A) could afford it B) stand to benefit from it C) the Leafs wouldn't get much of anything in return for Marner and therefore D) would probably be better off matching it than taking four 25th overall picks.
- JohnFergusonJr

or they could just sign duchene and not give up the 4 1sts.

i don't see a market for turris at all.

I dunno but they can go as high as 13 without having to worry about filling out their roster because they literally have every other spot filled already.

They could always dump Turris and/or another player like they did with Subban too if they needed to.

I'm not saying they will, I'm just saying if they decided to give Marner 11.6 AAV, they A) could afford it B) stand to benefit from it C) the Leafs wouldn't get much of anything in return for Marner and therefore D) would probably be better off matching it than taking four 25th overall picks.
- JohnFergusonJr

So Carolina, who has built a pretty good sustainable playoff team is going to bring in a guy that hasn't played one minute for them and make him the highest player on the team? Maybe the league? I have doubts.

And remember to calculate the AAV on an offer sheet you divide the total $$$ by the lessor of 5 or the number of years.
- The Law

yeah but it isn't like Marner is accepting a 6 -8 year deal for line 9M anyway, so it won't matter.

Hey if someone wants to throw 14M at him for 8 years, I guess the Leafs walk away, take the draft picks and cap space and try to bolster the defense.

Overpaying long term, AND giving up high end draft picks doesn't seem like a great idea. I am guessing there are no offers like that.

I don't even think he wants to leave. This is his team playing negotiating games.

Dubas and Shanahan have pretty much mapped out what their decision will be in any scenario. All they need to do is sit back and wait.