And why didn't Dumbass trade Marleau for NJ's 1st round draft pick this year?

He waited too long, and it cost the Leafs.
- Atomic Wedgie

I know!!!!

And why didn't Dumbass trade Marleau for NJ's 1st round draft pick this year?

He waited too long, and it cost the Leafs.
- Atomic Wedgie

pfffft.

i would have got hall and 2 1sts for marleau if i was gm'ing the leafs.

And why didn't Dumbass trade Marleau for NJ's 1st round draft pick this year?

He waited too long, and it cost the Leafs.
- Atomic Wedgie

Is it because we don't have Michael Ryder, Jaroslav Halak and a 2nd rd pick?

pfffft.

i would have got hall and 2 1sts for marleau if i was gm'ing the leafs.
- Tumbleweed

At the least. And maybe a goat... !!

Just for the milk and the loin crops..

pfffft.

i would have got hall and 2 1sts for marleau if i was gm'ing the leafs.
- Tumbleweed

I don't know, that seems like a lot... In NHL '19, Marleau has a player rating of 82. We for sure would be able to get Max Domi, who also has an 82 rating.

look at the mess mr. kylie dumbass has created.

-first off, he should have traded gardiner before last season ever started, now he's walking for nothing.
-if gardiner is not here all season, zaitsev's role on the defense increases and he probably doesn't ask to be traded now.
-he let nylander take half a season off before basically giving him what he wanted.
-he didn't load up particularly on defense for a run at the cup at the deadline.
-signed tavares for 11 million because ownership wanted him then gave matthews 11.6 million.
-didn't extend marner before the season started now he's gonna have to cave to marner to keep him, how can you trade marner right now?
-lack of due diligence for almost a full year has now cost the team a first round pick and patrick marleau to get rid of marleau's contract to pay everyone else.
-the nathan horton 5.3 million dollar contract is still a thing that toronto owns.

now after having created all this mess the only right move to make right now is to trade nylander for as much defenseman as you can get for him and it better be a very good one, then sign marner, kapanen and johnsson.

why trade nylander over marner? because nylander actually stayed home for almost a third of the season doubling down on getting the contract he wanted over his teammates on an up and coming team. AND because of the three matthews, marner and nylander his game is the one that is taking the longest to develop into a consistent elite scoring forward and he has benefited from playing alongside matthews almost the entire time matthews has been a leaf.

the other option is to move kadri with zaitsev, but then what do you replace kadri with?
- SP da GHOST

These are the reasons you dont like Dubas?

That's cool, just that they're all wrong.

look at the mess mr. kylie dumbass has created.

-first off, he should have traded gardiner before last season ever started, now he's walking for nothing.
-if gardiner is not here all season, zaitsev's role on the defense increases and he probably doesn't ask to be traded now.
-he let nylander take half a season off before basically giving him what he wanted.
-he didn't load up particularly on defense for a run at the cup at the deadline.
-signed tavares for 11 million because ownership wanted him then gave matthews 11.6 million.
-didn't extend marner before the season started now he's gonna have to cave to marner to keep him, how can you trade marner right now?
-lack of due diligence for almost a full year has now cost the team a first round pick and patrick marleau to get rid of marleau's contract to pay everyone else.
-the nathan horton 5.3 million dollar contract is still a thing that toronto owns.

now after having created all this mess the only right move to make right now is to trade nylander for as much defenseman as you can get for him and it better be a very good one, then sign marner, kapanen and johnsson.

why trade nylander over marner? because nylander actually stayed home for almost a third of the season doubling down on getting the contract he wanted over his teammates on an up and coming team. AND because of the three matthews, marner and nylander his game is the one that is taking the longest to develop into a consistent elite scoring forward and he has benefited from playing alongside matthews almost the entire time matthews has been a leaf.

the other option is to move kadri with zaitsev, but then what do you replace kadri with?
- SP da GHOST

I’ll give you a chance to see how stupid this comment is.

Leaf fans in a nut shell.

Where do I even start?

Trade Jake Gardiner before the season started? Really? Who would we have at that time that could replace Gardiner?

If we did trade Gardiner earlier as you suggested, how would Zaitsev's role change? We would be playing him with a more inexperienced defenseman and Zaitsev will still be a more defensive role, but would have more pressure on his shoulders.

Dubas didn't cave to Nylander, and it wasn't Dubas' idea to force Nylander to hold out. We got Nylander for a cap hit less then $7M. That's a win for the Leafs.

Didn't extend Marner, because Marner's agent wanted to play out the year first. Not Dubas' fault.

Dubas did bring in Muzzin to help for the playoff run, right?

The Marleau trade was a good move. The 1st rd pick is lottery protected.. We didn't have to include a prospect or roster player.. Also, Dubas fixed a mistake by Lou Lamoriello.

Some of the moves he's made can be questioned but he hasn't created some big mess.

Did I miss anything?
- PatC80

You didn't address Nathan Horton's contract and how it relates to Dumbass.

There’s a strong possibility the Leafs will be worse this year.

Apparently Dubas has interest in Zucker.

I wouldn’t mind a Kadri for Zucker trade.

Or a more advanced scale...Nylander and Z for Zucker and Spurgeon.

You didn't address Nathan Horton's contract and how it relates to Dumbass.
- RickJames77

You're right. My bad, I'm not that smrt

I know these aren’t perfect, but it’s an idea as to who would make what team. We really need an major tournament to get excited about.

🇨🇦
Tavares McDavid Marner
Seguin Crosby MacKinnon
Marchand O’Reilly Stone
Point Bergeron Stamkos
Scheifele

Rielly Doughty
Giordano Burns
Pietrangelo Letang
Chabot

Price
Binnington/MAF

🇺🇸
Gaudreau Matthews Kane
Wheeler Eichel M.Tkachuk
Pavelski Larkin Kessel
Atkinson B.Tkachuk Boeser

Carlson Jones
Yandle Suter
Werenski Krug
Trouba

Gibson
Quick/Bishop

🇫🇮
Laine Barkov Rantanen
Fillpula Aho Kapanen
Granlund Kotkaniemi Teraveinen
Donskoi Koivu Komarov

Heiskanen Vatenen
Lindell Ristoleinen
Nutivaara Jokiharu
Valimaki

Rinne
Rask

🇸🇪
Karlsson Petterson Lindholm
Zibanejad Backstrom Nylander
Bratt Langdeskog Forsberg
Nyquist Backlund Arvidsson
Johnsson

Hedman Ekman-Larson
Dahlin Karlsson
Gustafsson Klingberg
Ekholm

Lehner
Markstrom

🇷🇺
Ovechkin Malkin Kucherov
Panarin Kuznetsov Tarasenko
Dadonov Anisimov Kovalchuk
Svechnikov Radulov Gusev
Burkovsky

Orlov Sergachev
Provorov Zadorov
Kulikov Zaitsev
Kiselevich

Vasilevskiy
Bobrovsky

🇨🇿
Hertl Krejci Pastranak
Vrana Frolik Vorachek
Palat Zadina Case
Frk Faksa Chytil
Zacha

Hronek Kempny
Polak Gudas
Sustr Zaboril
Rutta

Mrazek
Rittich

There’s a strong possibility the Leafs will be worse this year.
- iTOLDu

June 25th man.

June 25th.

Also do 21 year olds get worse? Or do they get better? I’m confused now when Leaf fans think a prime is.

Apparently Dubas has interest in Zucker.

I wouldn’t mind a Kadri for Zucker trade.

Or a more advanced scale...Nylander and Z for Zucker and Spurgeon.
- Santo_44

I like Zucker a lot, he's got some good 5 on 5 numbers. Would play well with Matthews.

Where do I even start?

Trade Jake Gardiner before the season started? Really? Who would we have at that time that could replace Gardiner?

If we did trade Gardiner earlier as you suggested, how would Zaitsev's role change? We would be playing him with a more inexperienced defenseman and Zaitsev will still be a more defensive role, but would have more pressure on his shoulders.

Dubas didn't cave to Nylander, and it wasn't Dubas' idea to force Nylander to hold out. We got Nylander for a cap hit less then $7M. That's a win for the Leafs.

Didn't extend Marner, because Marner's agent wanted to play out the year first. Not Dubas' fault.

Dubas did bring in Muzzin to help for the playoff run, right?

The Marleau trade was a good move. The 1st rd pick is lottery protected.. We didn't have to include a prospect or roster player.. Also, Dubas fixed a mistake by Lou Lamoriello.

Some of the moves he's made can be questioned but he hasn't created some big mess.

Did I miss anything?
- PatC80

Actually it was dubas that said last summer that he was in no rush to sign either of the 3 stars and marners agent had said he would talk contract up until the season started and not at all during the season.

There’s a strong possibility the Leafs will be worse this year.
- iTOLDu

Very true.
But no need to worry about that until the end of July.
Alot can change between now and then

SWEETENER
- Symba007

#freedubas

I like Zucker a lot, he's got some good 5 on 5 numbers. Would play well with Matthews.
- PatC80

He is fast as (frank) and is good defensively.

and at a good cap hit for the next 5 years.

Actually it was dubas that said last summer that he was in no rush to sign either of the 3 stars and marners agent had said he would talk contract up until the season started and not at all during the season.
- Fakepartofme

How? It's been reported that Dubas made contract offers to Marner last off-season, and Ferris kept saying that the Leafs are lowballing Mitch.

How? It's been reported that Dubas made contract offers to Marner last off-season, and Ferris kept saying that the Leafs are lowballing Mitch.
- PatC80

Yeah people think he was sitting on his hands.

He said that Mitch and Auston can take as much time as they need as its an important decision.

He is fast as (frank) and is good defensively.

and at a good cap hit for the next 5 years.
- Santo_44

And yet they want to trade him.

WHAT'S THE CATCH?!?

He is fast as (frank) and is good defensively.

and at a good cap hit for the next 5 years.
- Santo_44

If we can get Zucker and somehow keep Nylander..

Zucker-Matthews-Nylander would be a great 1st line

Yeah people think he was sitting on his hands.

He said that Mitch and Auston can take as much time as they need as its an important decision.
- Santo_44

Exactly.

Dubas wasn't putting pressure on either of them to sign. That doesn't mean he didn't make an offer(s)

And yet they want to trade him.

WHAT'S THE CATCH?!?
- Scabeh

Its pretty shocking and Zucker and his GF have been displeased with it publicly.

I mean sports is all down to opinions and I guess some GMs are going to value other players more than others.