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Savard2Secord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Round Lake, IL
Joined: 12.12.2016

Jun 25 @ 12:21 PM ET
How do you rate the Hawks D prospects as far as upside?

Joki
Vlasic
Beaudin
Bovquist
Mitchell

- LAHawk





Boqvist
Joki

^^ Top 2 potential.

Vlasic
Beaudin
Mitchell

^^ Top 4 potential, most likely 3-4 - at least with Joki and Boqvist on the team, I'm sure they're capable of logging top 2 minutes but Joki and Boqvist are just better and have higher ceilings...

Vlasic tho, he's an interesting one because he has top 2 potential but he's a project - a high risk high reward type.... Tall guy, he's like 6'6 or 6'7.... I would compare him to Chara...

boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jun 25 @ 12:24 PM ET
That's why he won't trade Saad.
- EbonyRaptor


Maybe one of the Staal brothers is available.
67hawks
Joined: 08.30.2012

Jun 25 @ 12:25 PM ET
When he's healthy - if he's on LTIR and they are at the cap - players totalling daHaan's salary have to come off the roster to activate him. So, several ELC guys to the Rock - still have to have enough rostered players, remember. Or, a decent salary has to go - at a time when there are few trades and everyone knows they're stuck. Who goes? Imo, not a good problem to have.
- mohel


Stan will keep some Cap space available as he did last year. It may not equal DeHaan's salary but will prevent players being moved upon his return. Also beginning of year Cap space grows as it sits into the year.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jun 25 @ 12:25 PM ET
When he's healthy - if he's on LTIR and they are at the cap - players totalling daHaan's salary have to come off the roster to activate him. So, several ELC guys to the Rock - still have to have enough rostered players, remember. Or, a decent salary has to go - at a time when there are few trades and everyone knows they're stuck. Who goes? Imo, not a good problem to have.
- mohel


With DaHaans salary you get close to the cap at day one. Then you put him on LTIR which lets you accrue the overage during the time he is out. He is probably being replaced on the roster by someone making the minimum (Dahlstrom) while DaHaan is on LTIR, you send Dahlstrom down when DaHaan comes back.
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 25 @ 12:28 PM ET
With DaHaans salary you get close to the cap at day one. Then you put him on LTIR which lets you accrue the overage during the time he is out. He is probably being replaced on the roster by someone making the minimum (Dahlstrom) while DaHaan is on LTIR, you send Dahlstrom down when DaHaan comes back.
- LAHawk

Putting a player on LTIR means there is no cap accrued.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jun 25 @ 12:29 PM ET
Yes. AHL couts as pro experience and he'll have 3 by 2021.
- L_B_R


Doesn't he have to play 70 NHL games in the 2 years leading up to the draft or 40 NHL games in the year prior to the draft. So if he stays in Rockford all of this upcoming season and plays less than 70 games with the Hawks in 20/21 he won't be eligible. I think.
Savard2Secord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Round Lake, IL
Joined: 12.12.2016

Jun 25 @ 12:29 PM ET
Both Nylander and Zaitsev are over paid, and the financial commitment for both is at least 5 years. If Stan does this trade, I take back everything good I said about his work this offseason.
- LAHawk


That's the whole point... You have them locked up long term so Bowman can plan around them.... And Nylander at 6.9 for 5 more years could turn out to be a steal.

bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Jun 25 @ 12:35 PM ET
So let's count the teams in the past 1.5 seasons

Blackhawks
Predators
Flyers
Stars

A bit alarming that no one has wanted him for a full season. The dude has some tools and and on-ice motor. You have to wonder if he stirs the pot in the room

- phantasmo



Remember when half the people in this Board went ballistic when the trade happened..... Ryan Hartman lol!
Savard2Secord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Round Lake, IL
Joined: 12.12.2016

Jun 25 @ 12:38 PM ET
Bowman said on talk radio he is looking to add only one year contracts at this point. And I can see why. Cap likely only goes up 2 million next year. We have added d-men whose contracts go longer than just this upcoming season. We lose Craw's 6 million hit...but I gave Cat 8 million per year and Strome with 6 million per year. If you do that, and add some lower end guys, you only have about 2 million for 3 players remaining. Of course, they could trade AA or Murphy to help with that, but I just don't see anyway you can sign a guy at long term and high end money right now.
- onehundredlevel


Anisimov will be gone within the next 2 weeks, I would be shocked if he's a Hawk come October... On July 1st Anisimov is due a bonus, and IMO that's the only reason why he hasn't been moved... That and he technically still has a NTC but that will be lifted on July 1st.

I wouldn't be shocked if Bowman already has a trade in place for Anisimov and the 2 sides are just waiting for July 1st to make it official.


StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jun 25 @ 12:39 PM ET
Hawks open the season with 7 in a row at home (after playing Philadelphia in Prague).

Good practice time with not much travel in October - but, I think, a long himestand in October is not good.

They need to win a lot of those 7 - a slow start could impact the season.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jun 25 @ 12:42 PM ET
Colorado trades Soderberg to Arizona.
- mrpaulish


Coyotes spending money this year. They have less than $3M in cap space with a roster of 21. Probably want to get as close to the cap as possible so they can gain as much of Hossa's 5.25M once they LTIR him.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jun 25 @ 12:45 PM ET
So let's count the teams in the past 1.5 seasons

Blackhawks
Predators
Flyers
Stars

A bit alarming that no one has wanted him for a full season. The dude has some tools and and on-ice motor. You have to wonder if he stirs the pot in the room

- phantasmo

I remember when Stan was an imbecile for trading Hartman.
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 25 @ 12:46 PM ET
Doesn't he have to play 70 NHL games in the 2 years leading up to the draft or 40 NHL games in the year prior to the draft. So if he stays in Rockford all of this upcoming season and plays less than 70 games with the Hawks in 20/21 he won't be eligible. I think.
- boilermaker100

No but that's any easy misconception to make.

The 40/70 games played qualification is in regards to what players the exposing team are required to expose (this is the prevent an NHL team from not exposing any semi-proven pros), but the players that are eligible just need to have to have 2 years of pro experience in the AHL/NHL prior to the draft (so just have met the 10 game requirement in AHL or NHL).

There were a few players selected by Vegas that never played 40/70 games. For example: Nosek selected from Detroit had only played in 17 NHL games (11 + 6 the prior two seasons), Brickley from Carolina has only played in 23 NHL games (one season), and Leipsic from Toronot had only played in 6 NHL games (one season). They all played enough in the AHL though to become eligible.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jun 25 @ 12:47 PM ET
Here's a summary of Dach's press conference and PR tours that took place Monday.

https://www.nhl.com/black...ay-in-chicago/c-308046698
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jun 25 @ 12:47 PM ET
That's the whole point... You have them locked up long term so Bowman can plan around them.... And Nylander at 6.9 for 5 more years could turn out to be a steal.
- Savard2Secord


Nylander is a Oct-March player, not a playoff type player, Zaitsev had one good season and was given that contract, he was horrible last year, you already have a boat anchor contract in Seabs, you add Zaitsev for 5 more years, you have $12 million tied up in at best a #4 (probably 5) and #6 defenseman.
EbonyRaptor
Joined: 03.28.2013

Jun 25 @ 12:48 PM ET
There's an article in TheAthletic that does a pretty good job of explaining the purpose and effects of escrow on budgets and spending. I don't quite understand it all but the article helped my get the gist of it.

https://theathletic.com/1...hat-discourages-spending/
Slofire94
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: CA
Joined: 01.17.2016

Jun 25 @ 12:53 PM ET
With the recent LHD moves for more "stable, defensive" defensemen. And potential Murphy trade rumors coming, you have to wonder if one or both of DeHaan was brought in to be a veteran LHD and be paired with Bovquist/Joki on the right while they learn...

Do either DeHaan or Maatta play their off-side well?
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 25 @ 12:54 PM ET
With the recent LHD moves for more "stable, defensive" defensemen. And potential Murphy trade rumors coming, you have to wonder if one or both of DeHaan was brought in to be a veteran LHD and be paired with Bovquist/Joki on the right while they learn...

Do either DeHaan or Maatta play their off-side well?

- Slofire94

Not particularly.
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jun 25 @ 12:58 PM ET
Give me thirsty for a cup natural leader good at the dot 30 goals a year Joe Pavelski.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jun 25 @ 12:59 PM ET
I wonder if Stan made the Matta trade, thinking he wouldn't be able to land DaHaan after talking to Carolina, and then when Aho said pay me, someone else will, Carolina needed to clear cap space, and called Stan back and said yes to what Stan was offering.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Jun 25 @ 12:59 PM ET
I remember when Stan was an imbecile for trading Hartman.
- paulr

I believe it was all Q's fault that he didnt develop into another David Pasternak and that forced Stan to trade him and get an insulting return that a monkey could have done better on.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jun 25 @ 1:00 PM ET
Thanks all for the info. on the draft prospects.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jun 25 @ 1:00 PM ET
Bowman mentions gus isn’t going anywhere in his score interview.

Interesting. Leaves Murphy as really odd man out baring a huge season or massive offensive regression from gus or asking for huge aav.

If they want to add a lee or pavelski have to think neither is taking 1 yr deal so that leaves a trade to open more money for 12/17 next offseason. Or they sign Corey perry. Which I’m not a fan of.
phantasmo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 01.13.2016

Jun 25 @ 1:01 PM ET
Stan the Accountant (my bro!) out there playing cap chess while the big spenders are playing checkers.

If you believe Stan's interview on the Score today, they are looking for PK C's and maybe a body or two here or there.

If you believe the Seabrook rumors, maybe the biggest remaining splash is deciding what to do with Seabrook at this stage in his career. When things are loose in the media, it has seemed to be by the Hawks design....
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jun 25 @ 1:02 PM ET
I remember when Stan was an imbecile for trading Hartman.
- paulr


Haha. Believe they got a 1st for him.

Hartman obviously has some holes he’s not adjusting his game to. Chicago Nashville and philly all sent him packing. Kid better adjust quickly.
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