What would it take to get rid of Schlemko if he's not one of the 7 D guys?
- jstross

not much if a team needs to get to the floor but 2 mil doesn't cover much. It be the extra 1 mil the Flyers would save might be needed.

What would it take to get rid of Schlemko if he's not one of the 7 D guys?
- jstross

I doubt anyone would trade for him tbh. I think we are going to bury him the AHL to provide a veteran presence there and then let him walk after next season.

We have a certain idea of the situation: What we have in the farm system, Giroux 3 years left, Coots 3 years left, Hart and Morin 2 years left rfa's and Patrick and Linblom 1 year left RFA. We can infer we need to resign Coots in 3 years ufa who is going to be 29 years old and possibly a franchise goaltender in 2 years rfa.
- Chris48

And Sanheim in 2.

And Sanheim in 2.

- NC Flyers Fan

true that

5 years into a business plan and you aren't seeing results, see Hexy, and it's 100% to be expected that a change was going to take place.

I personally have no issues with the moves or draft that Fletcher has made. Of those moves the Braun one is the least exciting and the hiring of AV is the most exciting to me.

I'm at least looking forward to the start of this season while at the end of the past I was so over the Flyers.
- opeth_pa

what i said was in no way shape or form meant that i feel Hextall's firing was wrong if you took it that way (not sure if you did or not by your response)

The plus side is that if he can command a big deal after this one, that means he has developed into a top player.
- MJL

Exactly.

And there will always be moves to make.

I would have never thought Tampa could have moved Miller for a 1st rounder and a 3rd. The Canucks basically helped a cap strapped team and paid to do it.

And Sanheim in 2.

- NC Flyers Fan

The only thing what matters now is next season
Back-up goalie and RFA signed and they are ready to go
Let's give AV and Fletcher a whole season first

so what do you propose the GM should have done to make them a contender in 1 off season.

The 2 d contracts does not tie their hands.
- daryl stanley

obviously making them a cup contender overnight is almost impossible. Holmgren was able to do more his first off season because he had more flexibility. However, you can't just tie up a lot of cap space for the sake of bringing people in if it affects the cap long term. I'm not angry, upset, blah blah with the moves. the term i used is leery.

Exactly.

And there will always be moves to make.

I would have never thought Tampa could have moved Miller for a 1st rounder and a 3rd. The Canucks basically helped a cap strapped team and paid to do it.
- J35Bacher

If your prospect pool is full you don't calculate with a 3rd rounder

I was hoping we would have been able to get Sanheim locked up to a Ghost type deal. 4 or 5 years at 3.25. Good for him. Are we going to be able to afford him in 2 years?
- cdearth23

well I would think guys would go (Niskanen and Braun next year) and younger players called up to allow for his re-signing but once again i just hate spending to the cap.

On a good note. If we continue to give FA's amazing contracts we'll be seen as a good destination city. If we want you - we'll pay you well for it. I got the feeling that under Hextall we began losing more and more interest from players - not just because the team wasn't wining but that the culture had changed so drastically that people had begun putting us on their NTL.
It will take Fletcher some time to get that rep turned around.

The only thing what matters now is next season
Back-up goalie and RFA signed and they are ready to go
Let's give AV and Fletcher a whole season first
- goenzoy

I can’t help looking ahead. Gotta plan. However, I certainly am waiting to see how everything fits together and the on ice results before being too critical. Personally, I think the upgrades will be a more significant improvement than most seem to think.

obviously making them a cup contender overnight is almost impossible. Holmgren was able to do more his first off season because he had more flexibility. However, you can't just tie up a lot of cap space for the sake of bringing people in if it affects the cap long term. I'm not angry, upset, blah blah with the moves. the term i used is leery.
- nastyflyergirl

they did not tie up a bunch of cap space for the sake of bringing people in as 2 are on very manageable short term deals. He brought in 2 top 4 dman that will help the pk and give them what should be 2 very good D pairs. The trickle down effect is you now have a good 3rd pairing.

well I would think guys would go (Niskanen and Braun next year) and younger players called up to allow for his re-signing but once again i just hate spending to the cap.
- nastyflyergirl

I dunno. Leaving yourself some wiggle room on the cap is ok, but to be honest if you don't use it you lose it, and it doesn't do much for you. Yes, you can someday sign a big UFA and some would argue it gives you some flexibility in trades, but those are hypothetical situations that may never occur. If you are holding a bunch of cap space you aren't icing the best team you could be. And as a fan that's what I want to see.

I just noticed Hayes played 71 games last season...

Over a full season of 82 avg stats would be : 22 goals 42 assists - 64pts

Still don't like the 7.14 M over 7 years and the protection clause .... but hey

sure a cheap long term extension on Sanheim would be nice, but it's a leap to assume he and his agent were even willing to do that

On a good note. If we continue to give FA's amazing contracts we'll be seen as a good destination city. If we want you - we'll pay you well for it. I got the feeling that under Hextall we began losing more and more interest from players - not just because the team wasn't wining but that the culture had changed so drastically that people had begun putting us on their NTL.
It will take Fletcher some time to get that rep turned around.
- FlyersGrace

I don't buy that rep narrative at all. UFA's want to be paid obviously and a lot of them want to go to a team that is ready to win. JVR signed with the Flyers last year and Hayes this year. I don't believe it had anything to do with a perceived culture change. The Flyers didn't sign many top free agent under Hextall simply because he wasn't looking to do so. Nothing more than that.

I'm ok if that happens, but I pray that the org doesn't panic with him and allows him to grow for a least a few years.
- Hextall271

I truly believe that all the kids will develop to expectation but just not at the same time. Patrick is taking his lumps now. I expect Carter Hart to struggle. I think Provorov will bounce back but this could mean Sanheim could have a rough year. I never expect everyone to be firing on all Cylinders, especially when you are talking about kids.

I dunno. Leaving yourself some wiggle room on the cap is ok, but to be honest if you don't use it you lose it, and it doesn't do much for you. Yes, you can someday sign a big UFA and some would argue it gives you some flexibility in trades, but those are hypothetical situations that may never occur. If you are holding a bunch of cap space you aren't icing the best team you could be. And as a fan that's what I want to see.
- FlyersGrace

It's not as if you're signing a bunch of players on one year deals. Using cap space affects future years also. The worst thing you can be in hockey is to be an average to good team that is not good enough and is capped out and lacks flexibility. Unless you're a top team with a legitimate chance to be a Cup team, you should never be up against the Cap.

I truly believe that all the kids will develop to expectation but just not at the same time. Patrick is taking his lumps now. I expect Carter Hart to struggle. I think Provorov will bounce back but this could mean Sanheim could have a rough year. I never expect everyone to be firing on all Cylinders, especially when you are talking about kids.
- SuperSchennBros

Absolutely 100%

That's why its important to supplement with established veterans, the CORRECT established veterans, who can be steady when some of the kids struggle (i.e. Hayes, Niskanen). The issue is we probably overpayed a little for these veterans

Still dont see the need for the Braun trade tbh

I dunno. Leaving yourself some wiggle room on the cap is ok, but to be honest if you don't use it you lose it, and it doesn't do much for you. Yes, you can someday sign a big UFA and some would argue it gives you some flexibility in trades, but those are hypothetical situations that may never occur. If you are holding a bunch of cap space you aren't icing the best team you could be. And as a fan that's what I want to see.
- FlyersGrace

I agree. The flexibility is gained by expiring contracts or short term deals, and the cap management is by combining entry level contracts, bridge deals and stop gap vets on friendly deals with your longer term core and support contracts. As long as you plan ahead for your RFAs, it is fine to be close to the cap.

As I said before, it just took me by surprise to be so tight (projected) to the cap before the draft.

what i said was in no way shape or form meant that i feel Hextall's firing was wrong if you took it that way (not sure if you did or not by your response)
- nastyflyergirl

Nope..didnt take it that way at all was just giving my thoughts on the scenario .

I agree. The flexibility is gained by expiring contracts or short term deals, and the cap management is by combining entry level contracts, bridge deals and stop gap vets on friendly deals with your longer term core and support contracts. As long as you plan ahead for your RFAs, it is fine to be close to the cap.

As I said before, it just took me by surprise to be so tight (projected) to the cap before the draft.
- NC Flyers Fan

Agreed. It goes fast. I guess I just feel that cap not spent is money left on the table. After the season is over it doesn't do you any good at all. It's gone. I'm not saying throw out the future to be at the top of the cap every year, or give huge contracts to players you don't feel are core players. But it's not a dirty thing to be near the cap either.

The plus side is that if he can command a big deal after this one, that means he has developed into a top player.
- MJL

I like this positive outlook. It's not a bad thing to have a valuable young defenseman

Absolutely 100%

That's why its important to supplement with established veterans, the CORRECT established veterans, who can be steady when some of the kids struggle (i.e. Hayes, Niskanen). The issue is we probably overpayed a little for these veterans

Still dont see the need for the Braun trade tbh
- bulet13

on point.

Niskanen was brought in just in case Sanheim regressed to the point of NOT being a top line defenseman in the next two years.

Braun was brought in just in case Ghost continues his poor play and Myers doesn't make a true leap to full time 3rd pair this year.

They overpaid a bit for both, but it covers their ass for this year to make the necessary moves for 2020-2021

If you get a Trouba or Subban, that's one top spot your blocking either Sanheim (or maybe Myers!?) from for the forseeable future. for way more money