Nice contract for Sanheim and right around where most of us were predicting.

Charlie O'connor-

he was close on the Sanheim deal. They have Werenski at 7 X 7, hoping he signs there...

Projected Contract for Provy: $6.7M x 6 years

Eating minutes is one of the biggest factors for defensemen getting paid, and it looks like Provorov will be a beneficiary of that as a result. Only five defensemen averaged more ice-time than Provorov’s 25:07 last season.

What he did in those minutes was far less inspiring. Being able to play a lot of minutes matters for defensemen, but actually being effective in those minutes should carry some weight. Provorov played as much as a top defenseman last season, but rarely looked the part.

His impact on expected goals was sub-standard at both ends of the ice and was better than only Robert Hagg among Flyers’ defenders. Play-driving is Provorov’s largest weakness and grades out below average, even when in comparison to other number one defenders tasked with equally difficult minutes.

It was a stark drop-off to the season prior where it seemed like Provorov was on his way to becoming one of the game’s next great defensemen. That trajectory is still on the table for the 22-year old, but last season’s effort was discouraging.

What hurts Provorov is a lack of support from capable partners as his worst seasons were spent glued to a player the Flyers just bought out, and a rookie likely playing over his head. His best – and only time being a positive contributor towards Philadelphia’s chance share – was next to Shayne Gostisbehere in 2017-18.

Anyone has a preference going long term vs short term with our rfa's ??

Starting to wonder if short term is maybe better since our farm system is full of up and comers (Frost, York, Brink, Farabee, Ratcliffe) and the fact we need options to resign Coots, Hart, Patrick, Linblom etc in a few years.

It would give us flexibility for moves, trades etc and we would keep our current players rights since short term would keep them RFA vs UFA.

That being said hope we re-sign Laughton for around 3 years 7 M (2.3333 M per)
(12 goals, 54% on FO)

Thoughts ????

Charlie O'connor-

he was close on the Sanheim deal. They have Werenski at 7 X 7, hoping he signs there...

Projected Contract for Provy: $6.7M x 6 years

Eating minutes is one of the biggest factors for defensemen getting paid, and it looks like Provorov will be a beneficiary of that as a result. Only five defensemen averaged more ice-time than Provorov’s 25:07 last season.

What he did in those minutes was far less inspiring. Being able to play a lot of minutes matters for defensemen, but actually being effective in those minutes should carry some weight. Provorov played as much as a top defenseman last season, but rarely looked the part.

His impact on expected goals was sub-standard at both ends of the ice and was better than only Robert Hagg among Flyers’ defenders. Play-driving is Provorov’s largest weakness and grades out below average, even when in comparison to other number one defenders tasked with equally difficult minutes.

It was a stark drop-off to the season prior where it seemed like Provorov was on his way to becoming one of the game’s next great defensemen. That trajectory is still on the table for the 22-year old, but last season’s effort was discouraging.

What hurts Provorov is a lack of support from capable partners as his worst seasons were spent glued to a player the Flyers just bought out, and a rookie likely playing over his head. His best – and only time being a positive contributor towards Philadelphia’s chance share – was next to Shayne Gostisbehere in 2017-18.
- wcorvette

That’s how it looked to the eye-test, too — again, not knocking Provorov. He’s a good player. He has already proven that.

Is he a great player? When he’s an RFA and the organization still has rights? After the results of last season?

I think you wait/bridge, or hold the line on AAV

If I m Provy s agent, I have zero interest in a 3 yr deal. First, I get paid a year after Sanheim. Second, why would I want to wait an extra yr to go for the big extension when I ve played in the NHL aleady 3 full seasons. Either a 2 yr bridge deal or minimum 5 yr extension. I guess option 3 could be the Trouba RFA route. I d be shocked if his next contract was 3 yrs.

Great contract now but I have a feeling this one is going to come back to bite them.
- MJL

And maybe it does. But a lot can happen in 2 years. A guy like Voracek or van Riemsdyk could be gone. Niskanen is gone. Raffl is gone. We aren't even sure if certain guys will be developed by that time. Cap could be different.

There is always risk reward with any contract. If he plays outstanding, great because hopefully that means the Flyers are playing well.

If I m Provy s agent, I have zero interest in a 3 yr deal. First, I get paid a year after Sanheim. Second, why would I want to wait an extra yr to go for the big extension when I ve played in the NHL aleady 3 full seasons. Either a 2 yr bridge deal or minimum 5 yr extension. I guess option 3 could be the Trouba RFA route. I d be shocked if his next contract was 3 yrs.
- ravishingone

I think Werenski, McAvoy and Provorov are all getting 6 year deals. Takes them all to about age 28 and another big pay day.

I think Werenski, McAvoy and Provorov are all getting 6 year deals. Takes them all to about age 28 and another big pay day.
- J35Bacher

Very good point

And maybe it does. But a lot can happen in 2 years. A guy like Voracek or van Riemsdyk could be gone. Niskanen is gone. Raffl is gone. We aren't even sure if certain guys will be developed by that time. Cap could be different.

There is always risk reward with any contract. If he plays outstanding, great because hopefully that means the Flyers are playing well.
- J35Bacher

yeah, you have to be smart but you can't let the fear stop you from making moves. There are ways out of deals.

how much will adding Seattle add to the cap?

I think Werenski, McAvoy and Provorov are all getting 6 year deals. Takes them all to about age 28 and another big pay day.
- J35Bacher

I hope the Jackets don't overpay due to all their issues.

Anyone has a preference going long term vs short term with our rfa's ??

Starting to wonder if short term is maybe better since our farm system is full of up and comers (Frost, York, Brink, Farabee, Ratcliffe) and the fact we need options to resign Coots, Hart, Patrick, Linblom etc in a few years.

It would give us flexibility for moves, trades etc and we would keep our current players rights since short term would keep them RFA vs UFA.

That being said hope we resign Laughton for around 3 years 7 M (2.3333 M per)
(12 goals, 54% on FO)

Thoughts ????
- Chris48

Long term or Short term deals depend on the situation. Short term was best for now. You also have to consider what the player wants. I mean I think all teams would over pay early to keep their young stars long term. Who wouldnt do 4-5 mill for 8 years but Sanheim doesnt want to be capped out for that much. He wants a big pay day so he agreed to a short term deal.

Each side has negatives. Sanheim could get a huge increase based on his performance which shouldnt be a huge deal if he is that good, if the deal leads to his UFA time, he could leave though. At the same time if you did long term you could be paying big money on a guy who doesnt break out.

I think Werenski, McAvoy and Provorov are all getting 6 year deals. Takes them all to about age 28 and another big pay day.
- J35Bacher

Do you think Boston and CBJ are telling those guys they have to get less money than Provorov because he had more ice time?

https://www.capfriendly.c.../2020/toi/all/defense/rfa

Why haven't we traded Ghost and Provy for Doughty yet?

If that happens, I'm applying for full membership in Team Negative and will complain about this team more than you do.
- opeth_pa

no way it happens Fletcher makes good decisions

Why haven't we traded Ghost and Provy for Doughty yet?
- hereticpride

ghost for ehlers, connor or caufield

Do you think Boston and CBJ are telling those guys they have to get less money than Provorov because he had more ice time?

https://www.capfriendly.c.../2020/toi/all/defense/rfa
- Feanor

I am curious with where Werenski slides compared to Jones' deal.

If I m Provy s agent, I have zero interest in a 3 yr deal. First, I get paid a year after Sanheim. Second, why would I want to wait an extra yr to go for the big extension when I ve played in the NHL aleady 3 full seasons. Either a 2 yr bridge deal or minimum 5 yr extension. I guess option 3 could be the Trouba RFA route. I d be shocked if his next contract was 3 yrs.
- ravishingone

Provy's agent should ask for 6/40 and settle at 6/36. That leaves his client another shot at a long term contract at the age of 28

I am curious with where Werenski slides compared to Jones' deal.
- J35Bacher

when did he sign 15-16? 5.4? I am not sure that is comparable at this point, AAV's have went up. If he gets 7 X 7 that should keep provy under 7

I am curious with where Werenski slides compared to Jones' deal.
- J35Bacher

I could see Werenski going shorter due to that. Maybe 5 years. McAvoy at 6 years, and Provy at 7 years.

when did he sign 15-16? 5.4? I am not sure that is comparable at this point, AAV's have went up. If he gets 7 X 7 that should keep provy under 7
- wcorvette

I m more interested in percentage of cap relative to average cap hit with guys like Jones and Ekblad.

The Jackets, man what a mess, I can see them signing as many FA's as possible, probably offer the farm to Lee out of NY. I can't see how they don't drop significantly this coming season.



taking out the top FA's here are some more

Wayne Simmonds, Corey Perry, Micheal Ferland, Semyon Varlamov, Joe Thornton, Brian Boyle, Jason Pominville, Joonas Donskoi, Jason Spezza, Marcus Johansson, Valtteri Filppula, Derick Brassard, Justin Williams, Ron Hainsey, Patrick Maroon, Cam Talbot, Mike Smith, Marc Methot, Deryk Engelland, Thomas Vanek, Niklas Kronwall, Brett Connolly, Dion Phaneuf, Alex Chiasson, Andrew MacDonald, Colin Wilson, Ben Lovejoy

And maybe it does. But a lot can happen in 2 years. A guy like Voracek or van Riemsdyk could be gone. Niskanen is gone. Raffl is gone. We aren't even sure if certain guys will be developed by that time. Cap could be different.

There is always risk reward with any contract. If he plays outstanding, great because hopefully that means the Flyers are playing well.
- J35Bacher

The plus side is that if he can command a big deal after this one, that means he has developed into a top player.

I m more interested in percentage of cap relative to average cap hit with guys like Jones and Ekblad.
- ravishingone

agree, I am not sure but I know the Athletic has ZW at 7 X 7, probably in the ballpark, my fear is they overpay because of the situation in Columbus.

What would it take to get rid of Schlemko if he's not one of the 7 D guys?

Long term or Short term deals depend on the situation. Short term was best for now. You also have to consider what the player wants. I mean I think all teams would over pay early to keep their young stars long term. Who wouldnt do 4-5 mill for 8 years but Sanheim doesnt want to be capped out for that much. He wants a big pay day so he agreed to a short term deal.

Each side has negatives. Sanheim could get a huge increase based on his performance which shouldnt be a huge deal if he is that good, if the deal leads to his UFA time, he could leave though. At the same time if you did long term you could be paying big money on a guy who doesnt break out.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

We have a certain idea of the situation: What we have in the farm system, Giroux 3 years left, Coots 3 years left, Hart and Morin 2 years left rfa's and Patrick and Linblom 1 year left RFA. We can infer we need to resign Coots in 3 years ufa who is going to be 29 years old and possibly a franchise goaltender in 2 years rfa.

It's a risky situsation either way when you offer long term essentially betting on the player's developpment. Provy's agent wants a big time contract long term it's seems. What if we give him long term big money and we see the same Provorov as last year?

Do we offer TK a long term contract now and hope we get a deal with his production climbing like coots ? Ex: 5.25M x 7 years?

If they are bridge deals and TK scores 30g 2 years in a row that 5.25 M long term is is gone.

If provorov gets a 2 year deal and plays like his second season 17g 41pts +17 say bye bye to that 7M per on his new long term contract, more like 9+ with the new contracts being handed out.