I'm not going to pretend to know Pitlick inside and out. Like I said previously, I think Hartman is the more talented player but he is also an underachiever. I don't think the difference between the two players is large but I think they're a different type of player from each other. Plus if Hartman's salary request was out of whack then this is the kind of move you'd make.
- MJL

Pitlick is a spare part. The definition of a replacement player. He's bigger than Hartman, I guess that's something.

Yeah, Ryan Hartman is more talented, but a bit inconsistent. Guess they didn't want to pay him what he was worth. Doesn't seem like the best asset management.

Please don't place a player like Farabee on the 4th line. He needs to play and play a lot in his first season in pro hockey. Put the kid where he belongs in the AHL. Then after half a season or a season if he is ready, he can jump in on a higher line.
- MJL

He’s a heady two way player. It’s not unheard of to start young players on a 4th line in their first year. I’d probably prefer him starting in the A but if and when he comes up wouldn’t have a problem with him working his way up the lineup. He wouldn’t have the pressure to immediately light the lamp. Just practicing with the big club and playing a solid two way game that he knows how to do is a good start to his young career

Pitlick is a spare part. The definition of a replacement player. He's bigger than Hartman, I guess that's something.

Yeah, Ryan Hartman is more talented, but a bit inconsistent. Guess they didn't want to pay him what he was worth. Doesn't seem like the best asset management.


- Tomahawk

He's a legitimate 4th line player. Hartman is an underachiever. I'd rather have Hartman but if his salary demands are out of whack, this is a move you make. They have to cut cap. This is the spot the team is in.

I haven't had a ton of issues with what Fletch has done so far but I will say that if they knew they were going to be spending close to the cap they should've held off on the Raffl extension for the time being. Would've liked to have the backup goalie situation figured out before locking up Raffl so far in advance.

He’s a heady two way player. It’s not unheard of to start young players on a 4th line in their first year. I’d probably prefer him starting in the A but if and when he comes up wouldn’t have a problem with him working his way up the lineup. He wouldn’t have the pressure to immediately light the lamp. Just practicing with the big club and playing a solid two way game that he knows how to do is a good start to his young career
- Just5

Playing 6 minutes a game and practicing with the team is not the best course of development. In my opinion he has to earn a top 9 spot or he has to go to the AHL.

Pitlick is a spare part. The definition of a replacement player. He's bigger than Hartman, I guess that's something.

Yeah, Ryan Hartman is more talented, but a bit inconsistent. Guess they didn't want to pay him what he was worth. Doesn't seem like the best asset management.


- Tomahawk

I’m good if they didn’t want to allocate 2+ mil to Hartman this year. Picked up him up cheap in the Simmonds trade. Seems like Pitlick could be a solid 4C for us this year.

Maybe they use the savings on the deal to put towards a more legit 3RW option this summer (hopefully for one year)

I haven't had a ton of issues with what Fletch has done so far but I will say that if they knew they were going to be spending close to the cap they should've held off on the Raffl extension for the time being. Would've liked to have the backup goalie situation figured out before locking up Raffl so far in advance.
- hereticpride

That's another spot you have to fill then among the forwards. They only have 9 forwards signed as is.

Playing 6 minutes a game and practicing with the team is not the best course of development. In my opinion he has to earn a top 9 spot or he has to go to the AHL.
- MJL

Not sure it’d be 6 minutes. Laughton and Pitlick are double digit goal guys. But I’m more than fine with him in Lehigh

He's a legitimate 4th line player.
- MJL

Is he tho? He's been injury-prone, and has only had 1 season as an NHL regular. Rest of the time he's been hurt or fighting to get into the lineup.

There's a chance he gets waived out of camp if Twarynski/NAK/etc win jobs.

Not sure it’d be 6 minutes. Laughton and Pitlick are double digit goal guys. But I’m more than fine with him in Lehigh
- Just5

Maybe not on average but there would be plenty of games where he would be at that ice time and even lower on some occasions.

Is he tho? He's been injury-prone, and has only had 1 season as an NHL regular. Rest of the time he's been hurt or fighting to get into the lineup.

There's a chance he gets waived out of camp if Twarynski/NAK/etc win jobs.
- Tomahawk

Of course health is needed and if healthy, yes he is a 4th liner. One thing about his contract is that he can be waived and demoted with no cap issue.

No question now. Simmonds was moved a year too late.
- hereticpride

The Simmonds/Hextall super fans here would have you think otherwise.
- hereticpride

Take it easy high and mighty. If memory serves, getting a Schenn out of here was a much higher priority due to his lack luster play at even strength.

Of course health is needed and if healthy, yes he is a 4th liner. One thing about his contract is that he can be waived and demoted with no cap issue.
- MJL

That's why I just don't like the asset management aspect of the trade. Traded a useful player that could/should be around for several seasons, for a disposable afterthought.

I'm not sure where the discrepancy is, but this is what I have:
CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

FORWARDS (12)
Right wing: Jakub Voracek ($8,250,000) - Travis Konecny ($4,375,000) - Joonas Donskoi ($3,200,000) - Tyler Pitlick ($1,000,000)
Centre: Sean Couturier ($4,333,333) - Kevin Hayes ($7,142,857) - Nolan Patrick ($925,000) - Scott Laughton ($1,800,000)
Left wing: Claude Giroux ($8,275,000) - James van Riemsdyk ($7,000,000) - Michael Raffl ($1,600,000) - Oskar Lindblom ($925,000)

DEFENSE (6)
Right: Matt Niskanen ($5,750,000) - Justin Braun ($3,800,000) - Philippe Myers ($678,889)
Left: Ivan Provorov ($7,125,000) - Travis Sanheim ($3,250,000) - Shayne Gostisbehere ($4,500,000)

GOALTENDER (2)
Carter Hart ($730,833) - Curtis McElhinney ($1,100,000)

AHL BURIED (1)

David Schlemko ($1,025,000)

BUYOUTS (2)
Andrew MacDonald ($1,166,667) - Ilya Bryzgalov ($0)

RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (1)
Radko Gudas ($1,005,000)

DETAILS
Roster Size: 22
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Cap Hit: $80,482,579
Cap Space: $1,017,421
- fecondo

Am I missing something? When did they acquire Donskoi?

That's why I just don't like the asset management aspect of the trade. Traded a useful player that could/should be around for several seasons, for a disposable afterthought.
- Tomahawk

Get use to this kind of stuff. Flyers are operating as a cap team and as if they're a contender.

I actually made a mistake because I didn't remove Lyon so I was counting 3 goalies. That looks right. The only thing is that is a minimum roster with no 7th defenseman or extra forward.

So add in a 7th (Morin) and a 13th forward. Even at league minimum, there is an issue. Need at least 1M for injuries and call ups.
- MJL

Morin (700,000) and NAK (825,000) as the 7th dman and 13th forwards are calculated into the cap, but for whatever reason (probably that I'm terrible with technology) they didn't get included in the copy and paste. That leaves slightly over 1M for injuries, call-ups et al.

Obviously, it's far from ideal. I just wanted to show that it could be done

Am I missing something? When did they acquire Donskoi?
- BroadSTmayhem

He is suggesting signing him as a UFA.

Wonder if ehlers is still a ball in the air. Clearing room on that right side?

Get use to this kind of stuff. Flyers are operating as a cap team and as if they're a contender.
- MJL

Am I missing something? When did they acquire Donskoi?
- BroadSTmayhem

They haven't. Just my idea of a 3RW I could possibly see them targeting in free agency. There was chatter on the boards earlier today that they didn't have money available to sign a 3RW and a backup goaltender, so I was trying to create a roster that was able to do so.

They haven't. Just my idea of a 3RW I could possibly see them targeting in free agency. There was chatter on the boards earlier today that they didn't have money available to sign a 3RW and a backup goaltender, so I was trying to create a roster that was able to do so.
- fecondo

Sounds good. I’d be very pleased if they signed him.

That's why I just don't like the asset management aspect of the trade. Traded a useful player that could/should be around for several seasons, for a disposable afterthought.
- Tomahawk

We don't know how much Hartman was asking for. If he was asking for 2.5 mill, then we don't need him. He's not irreplaceable

We don't know how much Hartman was asking for. If he was asking for 2.5 mill, then we don't need him. He's not irreplaceable
- bulet13

You get what you pay for. Hartman could be a decent 3rd-liner, heart and soul player, a guy who could grow with the team.

As MJL said... Hartman is the first of what will probably be many cap casualties of the Fletcher era.

You get what you pay for. Hartman could be a decent 3rd-liner, heart and soul player, a guy who could grow with the team.

As MJL said... Hartman is the first of what will probably be many cap casualties of the Fletcher era.
- Tomahawk

If it's just players like Hartman that are cap casualties I can live with it. It's when players like Oskar or TK or Ghost become cap casualties that it becomes an issue

We also don't know all the details. Maybe Ryan wanted to be traded. I'm not losing sleep over this move

Like with some of the other trades, I wish Fletcher was able to also get a pick back since we sent the better player

I haven't had a ton of issues with what Fletch has done so far but I will say that if they knew they were going to be spending close to the cap they should've held off on the Raffl extension for the time being. Would've liked to have the backup goalie situation figured out before locking up Raffl so far in advance.
- hereticpride

or could have just not traded for Braun. I would rather have the goalie position solidified.