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mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jun 24 @ 11:05 AM ET
Got my team posted on cap friendly. A couple of trades, no big free agent signings, Dach at 3LW for a year, and 7.6M in cap space going into next year.

Tyler, what's first prize?

https://www.capfriendly.c.../armchair-gm/team/1253441

- boilermaker100



I like it
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Jun 24 @ 11:05 AM ET
Oh, what a 17 seconds!!! Must of watched those 17 seconds 100 times or more!!!
- hawk35


That would be 1700 seconds then
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Jun 24 @ 11:05 AM ET
do we have the ability to buy out any more contracts? i thought each team was allowed two buyouts and we used both a few years ago? im probably wrong - who can correct me
- glennjpawlak22


I don;t think their is a limit...

under current CBA two compliance buyout were allowed with no long term costs to the team...most teams used those...

the cost of a buyout can be expensive with the current formula based on term, $$ and term that is left...as I said buying out seabs now does not help the hawks they are stuck with a full cap hit for the next two years...
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jun 24 @ 11:07 AM ET
Hawks should go balls to the wall for Anders Lee who gets goals in front of the net with deflections and screens is exactly what we need alongside Toews and Kane. He can also play some center if needed. Versatile forward with size. Sold.
- ChiTownHawkFan


Well, he's gonna be 29, and probably will want a 7 year deal. For pretty big money. Wouldn't be ling before the long knives are out for Stan, especially when the resulting cap squeeze forces a trade of somebody good.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jun 24 @ 11:08 AM ET
BUT...my favorite playoff memory of recent times is the Nashville miricle (2010, I believe?),

Hawks down a goal. Hossa takes a 5 minute major. All hopes are dashed. Last seconds of the 3rd.....goalie pulled....Kanes scores to tie it up!!!!
But, Hossa still serving the major as we head to OT. Hawks kill the remaining couple of minutes of the PP in overtime and Hossa comes out of the box. Puck cycled low behind the Pred net....goes back to the point....across ice to Hossa on the doorstep. BOOM!!! Hawks win!!!!

It was the pivotal turning point in winning the Cup.

Lose that game, likely lose series...and no Cup. Whatta sequence of events!!!!

I have watched it soooo often I couldn't even count!!

- hawk35


Watch it again!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNC8-PTTee0
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jun 24 @ 11:09 AM ET
Nice idea. Tells us two things. One, the Hawks weren't really interested in trading down - that's not something they really expected to hear "yes" on. Second, the price to trade Seabs will be enenormous.
- mohel


I agree, telling the Canucks well you really are going to have to make it worth it.

Seabs future with the Hawks will be an interesting one.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jun 24 @ 11:09 AM ET
What Toronto deals are you referring to?
- 67hawks


Johnsson and Kapanen

Both are supposed land around 3-4 years and 3-3.5 aav
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jun 24 @ 11:11 AM ET
Johnsson and Kapanen

Both are supposed land around 3-4 years and 3-3.5 aav

- SteveRain


Still can't believe how Carolina let them off the hook with that awful trade. There has to be some cash exchanged that we don't know about.
tgentry1084
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Lake in the Hills, IL
Joined: 12.28.2012

Jun 24 @ 11:12 AM ET
player has no say
you do retain a cap hit...it can be substantial depending on $$ and term left..
for example buying out seabs would not help the hawks at all for the next two years...

- bogiedoc


Since it seems to be a topic, and it looks like there is some misinformation, the CapFriendly buyout calculator tool shows the following cap hits for Brent Seabrook:

2019-20 - $3,708,333
2020-21 - $6,708,333
2021-22 - $3,708,333
2022-23 - $6,708,333
2023-24 - $5,208,333
2024-25 through 2028-29 - $833,333
Slofire94
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: CA
Joined: 01.17.2016

Jun 24 @ 11:14 AM ET
Got my team posted on cap friendly. A couple of trades, no big free agent signings, Dach at 3LW for a year, and 7.6M in cap space going into next year.

Tyler, what's first prize?

https://www.capfriendly.c.../armchair-gm/team/1253441

- boilermaker100



Sign Pavelski with ~7M of that space
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Jun 24 @ 11:15 AM ET
I really hope they don't keep him past the 9 game tryout. I worry that he'll play well for the first 15-20 games, and then get into a slump. The problem is that the only option the Hawks will have is to press box him, or to let him play through it. IMO, either option could really stunt his development.
- tvetter


I think this is where they need to be in communication with the player and willing to do whatever is best for his development. There are some that can make this jump and I don't know if this kid is one of them, but I think he will get every chance to do it. If he does, it just isn't likely that he is an impact guy until probably year 2 or 3.

4 guys drafted last year that made the jump (Dahlin, Tkachuk, Svechnikov, Kotkaniemi) and Dach could end up a similar type of transition, but I also hope they don't force it.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 24 @ 11:16 AM ET
Do you think they would have still got Dach at 10?
- SoftServe


Unlikely.
tgentry1084
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Lake in the Hills, IL
Joined: 12.28.2012

Jun 24 @ 11:16 AM ET
Since it seems to be a topic, and it looks like there is some misinformation, the CapFriendly buyout calculator tool shows the following cap hits for Brent Seabrook:

2019-20 - $3,708,333
2020-21 - $6,708,333
2021-22 - $3,708,333
2022-23 - $6,708,333
2023-24 - $5,208,333
2024-25 through 2028-29 - $833,333

- tgentry1084


His current cap hit is $6,875,000. There is some savings in 2019-20 and 2021-22 and minimal savings in 2020-21, 2022-23, and 2023-24 (almost none in 2020-21 and 2022-23). On top of that, the cap would suffer basically another league minimum salary for the next 5 years after Seabrook's deal would have been done.

His total remaining cap hit under the current contract structure is $34,375,000, and it expires at the end of the 2023-24 season. If he is bought out, he will account for $30,208,330 over the next 10 years. That's a pretty minimal savings against the cap just to have a player not suit up for the Blackhawks.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jun 24 @ 11:16 AM ET
Still can't believe how Carolina let them off the hook with that awful trade. There has to be some cash exchanged that we don't know about.
- BetweenTheDots


Was it that awful? Toronto gave up a player they were trying to shed and then a 1st round pick....that will more then likely be in the 20s. Hawks gave up Teuvo and Bickell as Im guessing Bowman didn't want to move a high pick.

Trust me it'll hurt when Toronto goes shopping this spring and doesn't have a 1st round pick in the upcoming draft to shop with, and then do they take the chance of giving up the 2021 pick as well?

When Carolina buys out Marleau they get a small cap hit, a 1st round pick, and a 7th round pick for a 6th round pick.

That's not bad.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 24 @ 11:18 AM ET
Meh! The team had an awful post goal song, their President meddled, their GM sucks, Q was an imbecile, the team didn't hit and had no one to fight, and you're happy with a Stanley cup? What's wrong with you?!?!?
- paulr


You are correct, my bad. I will do better next time. *sits in the corner for 2 minutes to feel shame*
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jun 24 @ 11:19 AM ET
Since it seems to be a topic, and it looks like there is some misinformation, the CapFriendly buyout calculator tool shows the following cap hits for Brent Seabrook:

2019-20 - $3,708,333
2020-21 - $6,708,333
2021-22 - $3,708,333
2022-23 - $6,708,333
2023-24 - $5,208,333
2024-25 through 2028-29 - $833,333

- tgentry1084


I think a buyout is out of the question , and I doubt if the upcoming new CBA will include compliance buyouts. But, it would be great if it does.

Not wishing him any ill will, but I think Seabs might develop some sort of chronic knee, hip, back problem within a couple of years. He could be LTIRed for the last couple of years of his contract.

DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 24 @ 11:21 AM ET
Anders Lee and Tanev would change the forward group significantly. Some how add another legit blue liner, this team could be something.
- frafra


Tanev for sure, but I’m not sure about a big-ticket top 6 forward. It would depend on other moves (ie trading Anisimov) and their ability to re-sign DeBrincat and Strome.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jun 24 @ 11:24 AM ET
Sign Pavelski with ~7M of that space
- Slofire94


Nah, gotta bank some cap space for next year to extend Dcat and Strome. Already got Murphy on the way out next year to be replaced by Beaudin/Beauquist. Dach will take over at 3C after renting Eakin for a year.

Also may have to extend Crawford, if healthy, at a discount for another year or two or sign a vet goalie replacement. That's unless Delia and Lankinen turn into the next Binnington.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Jun 24 @ 11:26 AM ET
Well, he's gonna be 29, and probably will want a 7 year deal. For pretty big money. Wouldn't be ling before the long knives are out for Stan, especially when the resulting cap squeeze forces a trade of somebody good.
- mohel



After 2010 Ive become mostly numb to knowing some guys go after every year, and more so now after the whole 2nd tiered deals for 19/88/7...…

I know everyone likes to "pencil in" a said RFA at this, but I just keep going back to Saad in the summer of 2015 and thinking their is no way in hell they'd let the kid walk or not sign him.....and you got that trade. So when we all start looking at Strome or DeBrincat are going to get....I just pump the brakes. I think DeBrincat will be around 7-8 AAV, but I think the true deal to watch is Strome......IF that kid or his agent push the envelope too far he may get sent packing.

As far as UFAs.....honestly if you look at this class you can make a pro and con for each guy but the sickening thing is the amount of AAV some of these guys are getting.

Somebody is going to throw stupid money at Panarin or Lee or Pavelski and as much as I love Uncle Dale you think back to the summer of 2008 when he threw HUGE money at Campbell and Huet to get them here......When your team sucks, you have to overpay in some ways to get a top tier talent to come to your "program"

I bet $$ if Uncle Dale gets his shot, Panarin will get north of 10.5 AAV.....he wont' let him leave without a deal, or get all the facts like he did Hossa in 2009 and get it done ASAP

DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 24 @ 11:26 AM ET
whoaa....does that mean seab waived his NTC to go to nucks...i can see why the nucks turned that down...hawks need to give more than 7 pick swap
- bogiedoc


I may be in the minority with this, but I would prefer for Seabrook to stay and the Hawks find a way for him to play effectively.
frafra
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 10.21.2011

Jun 24 @ 11:27 AM ET
Tanev for sure, but I’m not sure about a big-ticket top 6 forward. It would depend on other moves (ie trading Anisimov) and their ability to re-sign DeBrincat and Strome.
- DarthKane


I also think CCs next contract is a factor. I do not think he will get paid more if he stays w the Hawks after this year.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jun 24 @ 11:29 AM ET
There have been reports Panarin was none to thrilled to take a bridge deal to help the Hawks only to be traded to Columbus 6 months later. I don't see it happening.

NO clue on Dach…..all you can do is hope for the best and keep an eye on the guys Bowman passed up. Im sure they will pimp this kid to death and why not? #3 picks are supposed to give you a LT solution.

Seabrook to Vancouver....not surprising the talk happened, and not surprising Vancouver said no. Just an albatross of a deal and I'll bet $$ he'll be on LTIR before that deal is over.

Next 7 days are big to see if Bowman goes trade route, and who is looking at to get parameters for a potential deal with an UFA to make it work short term and long term.

Deals those kids signed in Toronto are very cheap.....Hawks should push to see if Strome will sign it now.

- SteveRain


Last week you said Bowman would be stupid to sign Strome now, that it would be better to sign him next summer to see what kind of numbers he puts up. It’s easy to be a genius when you aren’t really tasked with the responsibilies, isn’t it?
frafra
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 10.21.2011

Jun 24 @ 11:29 AM ET
I may be in the minority with this, but I would prefer for Seabrook to stay and the Hawks find a way for him to play effectively.
- DarthKane


Filling their blue line w quality defenders would help the cause IMO.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Jun 24 @ 11:31 AM ET
If the Hawks are talking to Vegas I think 2 things.

1) Hawks possibly take on one or more expiring contracts.

Eakins, Reaves, Haula, Merrill or Holden

2) Hawks likely interested in LW Nikita Gusev (There were reports of teams asking about him from Vegas)

3) If Gus is going to get traded (big if) then it could be here and move parts could be moving, as the Hawks will expect a bit of a return on a bargain contract to help Vegas out.

4) If the Hawks are taking Clarkson's money for next year, they would only do it for a pretty good sweetener IMO. Like Gusev, or a top prospect. Could be a real interesting deal if they make it.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Jun 24 @ 11:32 AM ET
bogiedoc - don’t think Dach can play in Rockford next season.
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