Ehlers also had Laine, lets not forget that one!
- TheUltimateJet

Two shooters. With opposite styles of play. And a dead weight between them. Seems like a proper comparison to having an elite center and a career best season other winger

Pretty bad ?
- bennythehat

This is funny.

As you were.

Okay, hold up, I just remembered why I came here today in the first place.

If Calvin De Haan was that cheap, why in the blue bollocks didn’t we grab him?!

Let’s help Vegas and Ottawa with their opposite ends of the spectrum cap problems and offer;

Roslovic and a third to Vegas for Marschessault and Miller

Then,

Connor and Kulikov to Ottawa for
Branstrom, And one of Formenton, Norris, Brown or Batherson

Our cap, D, and prospects pool all balance out, you are welcome Chevy!
- Ross77

Like this! Happy with the more complete player Marchessault as a cheaper Connor. Miller and Branstrom would fill out the D nicely, now and in the future.....and yes, I can't imagine Vegas parting with Marcessault.....

Okay, hold up, I just remembered why I came here today in the first place.

If Calvin De Haan was that cheap, why in the blue bollocks didn’t we grab him?!
- Rexypoo

Stanley plus Comrie?.....

Okay, hold up, I just remembered why I came here today in the first place.

If Calvin De Haan was that cheap, why in the blue bollocks didn’t we grab him?!
- Rexypoo

Easy, our GM is reactive. I would be surprised if he ever did anything proactive.

Okay, hold up, I just remembered why I came here today in the first place.

If Calvin De Haan was that cheap, why in the blue bollocks didn’t we grab him?!
- Rexypoo

Wouldn’t a deal with him and a second have been better for Trouba?

You can never quite account for the impact of a bad eye test
- Rexypoo

I’ll give you that, no argument. And also that the goal of analytics has been to try to bring discipline to what we watch for, make sense of it and ultimately predict what we will see. Currently hundreds of interactions are being accounted for (some better than others). The eye test keeps a loose accounting of thousands of interactions. We are about 10 years from really making the stats worthy of building a team around.

Wouldn’t a deal with him and a second have been better for Trouba?
- DrunkenCanuck

Did De Haan play for the rangers? Nope, no possible deal.

Wouldn’t a deal with him and a second have been better for Trouba?
- DrunkenCanuck

For us? Yes. For Carolina? No.

That would mean:

Hamilton
Pesce
Trouba
Faulk
TVR

I’ll give you that, no argument. And also that the goal of analytics has been to try to bring discipline to what we watch for, make sense of it and ultimately predict what we will see. Currently hundreds of interactions are being accounted for (some better than others). The eye test keeps a loose accounting of thousands of interactions. We are about 10 years from really making the stats worthy of building a team around.
- 2.0

I mean, not really? Pittsburgh and LA have already done it

Two shooters. With opposite styles of play. And a dead weight between them. Seems like a proper comparison to having an elite center and a career best season other winger
- Rexypoo

Also, you have 3 guys on a line that can't win a puck battle in the corners. No wonder the numbers are down. These three should not be on the same line period.

Also, you have 3 guys on a line that can't win a puck battle in the corners. No wonder the numbers are down. These three should not be on the same line period.
- sparky1957

This never used to be the case with Little, but he’s slowing down.
Ehlers we know survives by keeping his feet moving, so fair enough.
Laine, luckily, is the one you can expect to improve along the walls as he fills out. The second half this season proved he can be mean when necessary.

We should be swinging for the fences to get Zucker and Spurgeon out of Minny. Their GM is dumb, and thinks small=bad, and both players are of top line quality at 2nd line pay.

Roslovic, Stanley, +?

Imagine for a moment:
Zucker-Scheifele-Laine
Connor-Copp-Wheeler
Perreault-Little-Ehlers
Vesalainen?-Lowry-Appleton

Morrissey-Spurgeon
Niku-Byfuglien
Beaulieu-Poolman

I mean, not really? Pittsburgh and LA have already done it
- Rexypoo

That is a bit of a flex/reach to conclude that analytics were more important than drafting Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Fleury, Kopitar, Doughty, Quick and trading for Carter.
Was it analytics that led to Jack Johnson and Dion Pheneuf? I don't imagine that Darryl Sutter selected lineups or line combos based on what the new startup analytics dept. was suggesting. Perhaps (but not confirmed) the mid-season coach change in Pittsburgh tweaked lines as the algorithms lead.

The low hanging fruit of analytics has arrived and that is related to nutrition, sleep/travel planning and training. Defining and consistently counting: shots, hits, give-aways, successful zone entries, blocks, faceoff wins etc. is improving. Finding out who has been successful has a few more ways to be measured now.

There is an utter lack of looking to find out the WHY players are/are not successful. They can have very different levels of health and athleticism yet some achieve. Hockey smarts? yes of course. Injuries? sometimes. Often a discarded player can be revived by the next coach/system/teammate/trainer who provides a different voice resulting in tweaks to decision making on ice.

Also, you have 3 guys on a line that can't win a puck battle in the corners. No wonder the numbers are down. These three should not be on the same line period.
- sparky1957

Little is actually a pretty good board player but hasn't been able to as the support is not there. With Ehlers/Laine combo he is usually forced to play a defensive roll above the play in the offensive zone.

We should be swinging for the fences to get Zucker and Spurgeon out of Minny. Their GM is dumb, and thinks small=bad, and both players are of top line quality at 2nd line pay.

Roslovic, Stanley, +?

Imagine for a moment:
Zucker-Scheifele-Laine
Connor-Copp-Wheeler
Perreault-Little-Ehlers
Vesalainen?-Lowry-Appleton

Morrissey-Spurgeon
Niku-Byfuglien
Beaulieu-Poolman
- Rexypoo

That is my favourite Rexypoo lineup ever. Cap issues even without Kulikov

That is a bit of a flex/reach to conclude that analytics were more important than drafting Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Fleury, Kopitar, Doughty, Quick and trading for Carter.
Was it analytics that led to Jack Johnson and Dion Pheneuf? I don't imagine that Darryl Sutter selected lineups or line combos based on what the new startup analytics dept. was suggesting. Perhaps (but not confirmed) the mid-season coach change in Pittsburgh tweaked lines as the algorithms lead.

The low hanging fruit of analytics has arrived and that is related to nutrition, sleep/travel planning and training. Defining and consistently counting: shots, hits, give-aways, successful zone entries, blocks, faceoff wins etc. is improving. Finding out who has been successful has a few more ways to be measured now.

There is an utter lack of looking to find out the WHY players are/are not successful. They can have very different levels of health and athleticism yet some achieve. Hockey smarts? yes of course. Injuries? sometimes. Often a discarded player can be revived by the next coach/system/teammate/trainer who provides a different voice resulting in tweaks to decision making on ice.
- 2.0

I’m not sure any particular philosophy or department can be credited with drafting the consensus best player available, nor would anything other than a basic understanding of hockey and trading be required to know buying low on Carter and Richards was a smart move at the time.

Jack Johnson, like Reaves and Gudbranson, was a result of Pittsburgh abandoning their winning build for size, and has had catastrophic results.

Phaneuf was the price of getting rid of Gaborik, and is now gone. LA had no playoff aspirations, so a season of testing out Neon Dion was fine.

That is my favourite Rexypoo lineup ever. Cap issues even without Kulikov
- 2.0

Didn’t figure in the cap on that one, I’ll be honest. I bridge Connor, and long term Laine, however

I'd trade for Spurgeon but only if the Jets could get him to sign an extension.

This upcoming year is looking like a lost season, where the only good news will be the firing of Maurice and giving the young d-man ice time to develop. So having Spurgeon for one year is not worth it..

I'd trade for Spurgeon but only if the Jets could get him to sign an extension.

This upcoming year is looking like a lost season, where the only good news will be the firing of Maurice and giving the young d-man ice time to develop. So having Spurgeon for one year is not worth it..
- BWJumper

This

Didn’t figure in the cap on that one, I’ll be honest. I bridge Connor, and long term Laine, however
- Rexypoo

Connor has higher IQ and is trending upwards. Laine is on the other hand possesses a great shot, low hockey IQ and trending downwards.

Laine deserves the bridge and Connor deserves the long term extension.

I would even be inclined to see what some teams would offer up for Laine. I am sure some team will overpay big time.

That is a bit of a flex/reach to conclude that analytics were more important than drafting Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Fleury, Kopitar, Doughty, Quick and trading for Carter.
Was it analytics that led to Jack Johnson and Dion Pheneuf? I don't imagine that Darryl Sutter selected lineups or line combos based on what the new startup analytics dept. was suggesting. Perhaps (but not confirmed) the mid-season coach change in Pittsburgh tweaked lines as the algorithms lead.

The low hanging fruit of analytics has arrived and that is related to nutrition, sleep/travel planning and training. Defining and consistently counting: shots, hits, give-aways, successful zone entries, blocks, faceoff wins etc. is improving. Finding out who has been successful has a few more ways to be measured now.

There is an utter lack of looking to find out the WHY players are/are not successful. They can have very different levels of health and athleticism yet some achieve. Hockey smarts? yes of course. Injuries? sometimes. Often a discarded player can be revived by the next coach/system/teammate/trainer who provides a different voice resulting in tweaks to decision making on ice.
- 2.0

I do not know about this 2.0. Carolina was a analytics darling this year. Chicago when winning cups had two outstanding analytics players in Hossa and Sharp.

It seems that the best teams are maximizing production by using analytics to help them out.

Little is actually a pretty good board player but hasn't been able to as the support is not there. With Ehlers/Laine combo he is usually forced to play a defensive roll above the play in the offensive zone.
- 2.0

Even in a defensive role Little is incompetent. I keep hearing about Little being this great 200 foot player and if that is the case why is he never out there defending leads?

Little is one of Maurice's favorites and even Maurice is recognizing Little is no longer this defensive player we are constantly force fed to believe.

For us? Yes. For Carolina? No.

That would mean:

Hamilton
Pesce
Trouba
Faulk
TVR
- Rexypoo

What happen to Slavin?.....