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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 22 @ 7:55 PM ET
What exactly are you exposing? Lol. I never said I was a scout, I've never denied anything you quoted me as saying. But you were sneaky and left out the rest of a sentence.
You have no idea about these prospects, you said so. I follow prospects all year and watch a lot of them live all season. Just because you have no idea what you're talking about doesn't mean others have no clue.

I think you're a little butthurt still from me calling out your complete hypocrisy. Remember this" lets not pretend that you have more information then they do or know players better than they do. You don't" - MJL That was pure gold coming from you.

I've been on this site a very long time and have been subject to a lot of your comments. You spin all the time, lie and deflect. From time to time your name comes up on other boards and you get destroyed. But you carry on thinking you know everything about hockey.

- dubc55



Just simple facts. You don't know the players as well as the Flyers scouts do. That simple. You don't have the credibility to state that there were better players available. I'll repeat, you don't know. You just think you do.

Yea, they so destroy me that they have to talk about me behind my back in secrecy. Tell those doing that to man up and they know where to find me!


The guy making that comment and saying I lie, spin and deflect. That's the guy that is butthurt!

I'm interested in talking hockey.
Sinisalo4vr
Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA
Joined: 06.24.2016

Jun 22 @ 7:55 PM ET
The Habs and Flyers have for the third year in a row traded 7th round picks. Wtf is going on
- bulet13

Love
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 22 @ 7:56 PM ET
phils are a disgrace and harper isn't an all star great signing
- 2Real

Being realistic, Harper isn’t THAT much worse than what should have reasonably been expected.

He’s never going to consistently be a 300 hitter. He’s still going to finish the year as a league leader in walks, 35 to 40 homeruns, 110 or so rbi.

Overrated? Sure, just comes with the flash of being that so young. Overpaid? Definitely. But in a non capped league he’s worth it for the dollars he generated as a flash guy.

He isn’t exactly willing them to victory, but he isn’t single handedly killing them either.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 22 @ 8:15 PM ET
I like the Brink pick. Idk if you’re confusing me with someone else. Sorry if not!
- arichardson22



Meant to drop on MJL POST
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 22 @ 8:18 PM ET
Just simple facts. You don't know the players as well as the Flyers scouts do. That simple. You don't have the credibility to state that there were better players available. I'll repeat, you don't know. You just think you do.

Yea, they so destroy me that they have to talk about me behind my back in secrecy. Tell those doing that to man up and they know where to find me!


The guy making that comment and saying I lie, spin and deflect. That's the guy that is butthurt!

I'm interested in talking hockey.

- MJL


Going back and forth with you can be maddening at times but it’s all in good fun.

Are you able to approximate how much sleep you lose in a given week knowing that
people in other message boards actually use their free time to discuss you when you aren’t even there?
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 22 @ 8:21 PM ET
Being realistic, Harper isn’t THAT much worse than what should have reasonably been expected.

He’s never going to consistently be a 300 hitter. He’s still going to finish the year as a league leader in walks, 35 to 40 homeruns, 110 or so rbi.

Overrated? Sure, just comes with the flash of being that so young. Overpaid? Definitely. But in a non capped league he’s worth it for the dollars he generated as a flash guy.

He isn’t exactly willing them to victory, but he isn’t single handedly killing them either.

- stayinthefnnet

if he keeps regressing he's going to be a giant drag
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 22 @ 8:24 PM ET
if he keeps regressing he's going to be a giant drag
- 2Real

I don’t see him regressing a ton but I also don’t see him being in the same universe as trout.

He’s gonna hit you 35 to 40 home runs a year for the next decade. The problem is the league is currently littered with guys who will hit maybe seven or eight less homeruns a year with a higher average fort sixty percent of the cost
Sinisalo4vr
Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA
Joined: 06.24.2016

Jun 22 @ 8:31 PM ET
if he keeps regressing he's going to be a giant drag
- 2Real

They’re all regressing. You have to wonder why relatively consistent hitters crap out under Mallee and his launch angle adjustments or why pitchers who had no history of injury suddenly have issues under “never was a pitching coach” Chris Young.
hockeyphan25
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.05.2005

Jun 22 @ 8:32 PM ET
No expert. Just a Flyers and draft fan. My knowledge of these guys is mostly from watching the international tourns. Top Prospects games and Youtube videos (highlights and shift vids). Didn't like the York pick. Most experts had other dmen higher than him that they were not even that high on. If they would have taken Nick Robertson or Lovoie with the 2nd rounder then I'd have liked the combo of one of them and York a lot. I do like the combo with Brink but really like the other two. Not sure why those two aren't viewed higher by the teams. Brink is interesting. Clearly has a lot of skill. Fit right in with many of those top 15 picks on the us u18 team. The complaints about his skating scare me but I think the reason that he was still ranked high is the combo of being so skilled and still being able to get to where he needs to be despite how his skating looks.

Have no idea about their other picks. They've done well enough in later rounds that hopefully one of them will be a decent prospect.

The Kings really made out well. Picked up 3 guys that all may be solid contributors in 2020 (Turcotte, Kaliyev, Fagemo) plus a dman ranking similar to York (Bjornfot).

If you're mad that these guys may take a few years, I wouldn't be to concerned about that considering the prospects in the system now.

Go watch some Brink videos, I think you'll at least be pleased with him.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 22 @ 8:46 PM ET
Going back and forth with you can be maddening at times but it’s all in good fun.

Are you able to approximate how much sleep you lose in a given week knowing that
people in other message boards actually use their free time to discuss you when you aren’t even there?

- stayinthefnnet


I sleep very soundly knowing that I'm an internet celebrity. I just wish I could somehow turn that into some financial gain!


I know what I am and what my faults are. However, I think it's sad that time is wasted like that by others. Much more important things to discuss.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 22 @ 8:50 PM ET
They’re all regressing. You have to wonder why relatively consistent hitters crap out under Mallee and his launch angle adjustments or why pitchers who had no history of injury suddenly have issues under “never was a pitching coach” Chris Young.
- Sinisalo4vr

i hate the launch angle bullpoop just get hits
S-Dub
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.16.2019

Jun 22 @ 8:51 PM ET
Do you need a tissue? Maybe a binky?
Do you want a tutor for reading comprehension?

It’s been said repeatedly the flyers did not pass on CC because of his size. Do you understand. Do you need an interpreter?

- bird_dog_pa


Well why take the second best when you could have had the first.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 22 @ 8:53 PM ET
No expert. Just a Flyers and draft fan. My knowledge of these guys is mostly from watching the international tourns. Top Prospects games and Youtube videos (highlights and shift vids). Didn't like the York pick. Most experts had other dmen higher than him that they were not even that high on. If they would have taken Nick Robertson or Lovoie with the 2nd rounder then I'd have liked the combo of one of them and York a lot. I do like the combo with Brink but really like the other two. Not sure why those two aren't viewed higher by the teams. Brink is interesting. Clearly has a lot of skill. Fit right in with many of those top 15 picks on the us u18 team. The complaints about his skating scare me but I think the reason that he was still ranked high is the combo of being so skilled and still being able to get to where he needs to be despite how his skating looks.

Have no idea about their other picks. They've done well enough in later rounds that hopefully one of them will be a decent prospect.

The Kings really made out well. Picked up 3 guys that all may be solid contributors in 2020 (Turcotte, Kaliyev, Fagemo) plus a dman ranking similar to York (Bjornfot).

If you're mad that these guys may take a few years, I wouldn't be to concerned about that considering the prospects in the system now.

Go watch some Brink videos, I think you'll at least be pleased with him.

- hockeyphan25


People say Brian leetch. I don’t know that’s quite the reach I think. The limited viewing I’ve had of him I’m not blown away. The pro player that comes to mind style wise is Nick Jensen. He’s a smooth player. Underrated imo. Moves the puck well...skates well...no wow plays just real efficient. The anti ghost.

I’ve been watching some brink and I’m not seeing the big skating deficiency. He’s 5’8” so it’s likely going to look choppy. I don’t know seems like he gets around. We’ll see how it looks in college
hockeyphan25
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.05.2005

Jun 22 @ 9:05 PM ET
Decent breakdown of Brink:

https://youtu.be/UaH-DT0JONw
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 22 @ 9:09 PM ET
Really tight for the Flyers. Vegas is already 1.6M over.
- MJL


With the recent moves, we added just over 12 million. What did we start with prior to those moves and how much space do we have left over now?
hockeyphan25
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.05.2005

Jun 22 @ 9:10 PM ET
People say Brian leetch. I don’t know that’s quite the reach I think. The limited viewing I’ve had of him I’m not blown away. The pro player that comes to mind style wise is Nick Jensen. He’s a smooth player. Underrated imo. Moves the puck well...skates well...no wow plays just real efficient. The anti ghost.

I’ve been watching some brink and I’m not seeing the big skating deficiency. He’s 5’8” so it’s likely going to look choppy. I don’t know seems like he gets around. We’ll see how it looks in college

- Just5


Yeah, the link i just posted actually talks about and shows how he's all over the puck. Tough to do when you can't keep up. I don't see it as much either but the experts do bring it up a lot. He is young too.
Sinisalo4vr
Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA
Joined: 06.24.2016

Jun 22 @ 9:11 PM ET
With the recent moves, we added just over 12 million. What did we start with prior to those moves and how much space do we have left over now?
- SuperSchennBros

We have a legitimate 2a center. Embrace it, it’s not changing.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 22 @ 9:22 PM ET
We have a legitimate 2a center. Embrace it, it’s not changing.
- Sinisalo4vr

So you aren’t a mathematician? I’m not surprised by this response.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Jun 22 @ 9:23 PM ET
Being realistic, Harper isn’t THAT much worse than what should have reasonably been expected.

He’s never going to consistently be a 300 hitter. He’s still going to finish the year as a league leader in walks, 35 to 40 homeruns, 110 or so rbi.

Overrated? Sure, just comes with the flash of being that so young. Overpaid? Definitely. But in a non capped league he’s worth it for the dollars he generated as a flash guy.

He isn’t exactly willing them to victory, but he isn’t single handedly killing them either.

- stayinthefnnet


ITCHING PITCHING PITCHING
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Jun 22 @ 9:24 PM ET
Well why take the second best when you could have had the first.
- S-Dub


The scouts liked York more that’s why. Was it the better decision? No one knows but we will see.
dramado
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Paradise, NF
Joined: 03.16.2018

Jun 22 @ 9:31 PM ET
Decent breakdown of Brink:

https://youtu.be/UaH-DT0JONw

- hockeyphan25


Nice breakdown!
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 22 @ 9:43 PM ET
ITCHING PITCHING PITCHING
- KINGKENZO

You said it man
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 22 @ 9:52 PM ET
Decent breakdown of Brink:

https://youtu.be/UaH-DT0JONw

- hockeyphan25


I like that breakdown thanks. Biggest thing that scares me is his lack of puck handling at his top speeds
Sinisalo4vr
Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA
Joined: 06.24.2016

Jun 22 @ 9:53 PM ET
So you aren’t a mathematician? I’m not surprised by this response.
- SuperSchennBros

Actually I have a minor in math. How can I help? Do you understand the concept of present value?
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 22 @ 9:59 PM ET
i hate the launch angle bullpoop just get hits
- 2Real

Hate to sound like an old man but advanced stat guys are ruining baseball.

I can't wait to see someone have enough and just start laying down bunts because the entire left side of the infield is open.
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