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Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jun 22 @ 5:13 PM ET
The flyers tweeted that Attard is a RW. is he RW OR RD
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 22 @ 5:15 PM ET
Pens need everything from a cupboard perspective. Problem is, you put so much into the win now window for so long that it almost makes no sense to not do so now. Would’ve rather traded it to be honest.
- stayinthefnnet


Rutherford still talking crazy, like the window is open?

If they were ruthless and traded Malkin, they could maybe take another run with Crosby in two years
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 22 @ 5:16 PM ET
The flyers tweeted that Attard is a RW. is he RW OR RD
- Richieattack18

His stats would make a lot more sense if he was a forward.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 22 @ 5:17 PM ET
That's basically what happened to the Blackhawks too. I'm still amazed with the guys they had they still ended up with such a high pick tho.
- hereticpride

Oh yeah. No matter who you are, the music has to stop eventually.

I see what you’re saying about Chicago though. Kane is still Kane. Toews had a decent renaissance year. They hit a grand slam on debrincat for a young forward to come in and bang out 35 goals a year.

Their back end just absolutely killed them. They found their savior in maatta at least haha
dubc55
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.25.2014

Jun 22 @ 5:18 PM ET
What you said is that there were a host of players still left better than Brink. Next we can get into discussing the comment you made of "he has so many obstacles to overcome that it's unlikely he amounts to anything" and how that relates to players selected in the 2nd round.
- MJL


Here's the post just in case you forgot.

Sometimes all that information also leads to scouts etc. overvaluing/underestimating certain players. You're right, it is a crapshoot for many reasons. Philly moved up in the draft to select a project player with with a lot of question marks. There were more safe picks with as much or more potential on the board that are further along in development than Brink. I have a reason to be skeptical of the pick. Thanks for the shout out.

Also, Brink has more holes in his game than the others that I listed that were still available in the second.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 22 @ 5:18 PM ET
So you're saying there is mediocrity and you support it? Why didn't you just say that the first time?
- dubc55

We support our team through their ups and downs

I think they are way above mediocre currently although several recent seasons that would be accurate

But your point was that fans can help change what the team does on draft day by not supporting them when they make a draft pick that goes against someone’s perceived ranking of a prospect which I don’t buy.

stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 22 @ 5:21 PM ET
Rutherford still talking crazy, like the window is open?

If they were ruthless and traded Malkin, they could maybe take another run with Crosby in two years

- AllInForFlyers

Honestly, you have to believe the window is still open, or else what are you doing?

The issue is, the window could be open for another two years or so if they hit on the secondary moves. Crosby malkin letang a d kessel can still get it done, but they aren’t good enough anymore that they can just cheat code override everything else.

With so many top heavy contracts, you have the big pieces but your margin for error on the supplemental parts is razor thin. JR has not shown the ability to nail those moves lately and it’s killing them.
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jun 22 @ 5:26 PM ET
His stats would make a lot more sense if he was a forward.
- hereticpride

I agree but it looks like hes just an aggressive dman. Get it together flyers twitter
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 22 @ 5:28 PM ET
Honestly, you have to believe the window is still open, or else what are you doing?

The issue is, the window could be open for another two years or so if they hit on the secondary moves. Crosby malkin letang a d kessel can still get it done, but they aren’t good enough anymore that they can just cheat code override everything else.

With so many top heavy contracts, you have the big pieces but your margin for error on the supplemental parts is razor thin. JR has not shown the ability to nail those moves lately and it’s killing them.

- stayinthefnnet

This sounds a lot like Holmgren's Flyers. Core is there but you're filling in the cracks with too many subpar pieces.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Jun 22 @ 5:50 PM ET
Would you rather have

Niskanan at 7M for the 2019/20 season and 7.5 for 20/21 (Adding in the MacDonald buyout penalty) of Subban at 9M till the 21/22 season?
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 22 @ 5:51 PM ET
Would you rather have

Niskanan at 7M for the 2019/20 season and 7.5 for 20/21 (Adding in the MacDonald buyout penalty) of Subban at 9M till the 21/22 season?

- corduroy


Subban, and I like niskanen a good bit still
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 22 @ 5:52 PM ET
Here's the post just in case you forgot.

Sometimes all that information also leads to scouts etc. overvaluing/underestimating certain players. You're right, it is a crapshoot for many reasons. Philly moved up in the draft to select a project player with with a lot of question marks. There were more safe picks with as much or more potential on the board that are further along in development than Brink. I have a reason to be skeptical of the pick. Thanks for the shout out.

Also, Brink has more holes in his game than the others that I listed that were still available in the second.

- dubc55


https://hockeybuzz.com/bo...p?thread_id=160386&page=6




Copied and pasted from your post on page 6. In case you forgot.

"There were better players on the board than him."


You may have an opinion that there were more safe players or better players on the board but that is not a fact. Fact is that you're not qualified to make that judgement in comparison to the Flyers scouting staff. None of us are.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jun 22 @ 6:00 PM ET
https://hockeybuzz.com/boards/thread.php?thread_id=160386&page=6




Copied and pasted from your post on page 6. In case you forgot.

"There were better players on the board than him."


You may have an opinion that there were more safe players or better players on the board but that is not a fact. Fact is that you're not qualified to make that judgement in comparison to the Flyers scouting staff. None of us are.

- MJL


Go outside man it’s beautiful out
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 22 @ 6:02 PM ET
Go outside man it’s beautiful out
- arichardson22


I was outside for 10 hours today. Great day!
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jun 22 @ 6:12 PM ET
I was outside for 10 hours today. Great day!
- MJL

Strolling out from under your bridge doesnt count
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jun 22 @ 6:14 PM ET
I was outside for 10 hours today. Great day!
- MJL


You’re an early bird. That’s my bad then 😘
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 22 @ 6:17 PM ET
You’re an early bird. That’s my bad then 😘
- arichardson22



https://nhl.nbcsports.com...to-chose-from-in-round-2/

Brink is mentioned as one of the top two players available in the 2nd round
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 22 @ 6:21 PM ET
Honestly, you have to believe the window is still open, or else what are you doing?

The issue is, the window could be open for another two years or so if they hit on the secondary moves. Crosby malkin letang a d kessel can still get it done, but they aren’t good enough anymore that they can just cheat code override everything else.

With so many top heavy contracts, you have the big pieces but your margin for error on the supplemental parts is razor thin. JR has not shown the ability to nail those moves lately and it’s killing them.

- stayinthefnnet

It gets tougher if they trade Letang although the argument to get something good back while you can for him is valid too

He’s had some significant health issues and still is a difference maker
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jun 22 @ 6:23 PM ET
https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2019/06/22/nhl-draft-senators-others-have-quality-to-chose-from-in-round-2/

Brink is mentioned as one of the top two players available in the 2nd round

- wcorvette

Nah man that other dudes the expert. There were a lot of players that are better, further developed and more upside. He knows best
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 22 @ 6:24 PM ET
https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2019/06/22/nhl-draft-senators-others-have-quality-to-chose-from-in-round-2/

Brink is mentioned as one of the top two players available in the 2nd round

- wcorvette



But that is NBC, not DUBC. What do they know?

MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 22 @ 6:28 PM ET
Cap set at 81.5


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 22 @ 6:35 PM ET
Cap set at 81.5
- MBFlyerfan


Really tight for the Flyers. Vegas is already 1.6M over.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jun 22 @ 6:41 PM ET
https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2019/06/22/nhl-draft-senators-others-have-quality-to-chose-from-in-round-2/

Brink is mentioned as one of the top two players available in the 2nd round

- wcorvette


I like the Brink pick. Idk if you’re confusing me with someone else. Sorry if not!
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 22 @ 6:41 PM ET
Really tight for the Flyers. Vegas is already 1.6M over.
- MJL

I'm really interested in what we're gonna do with the backup situation. Can't spend a lot of money but probably want a seasoned vet to help mentor Hart...
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 22 @ 6:43 PM ET
I'm really interested in what we're gonna do with the backup situation. Can't spend a lot of money but probably want a seasoned vet to help mentor Hart...
- hereticpride



Definitely going to hurt getting the RFA's all signed. Especially if Provorov really wants 8.
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