I think the real 'price' of that lost pick will be at the trade deadline this year. We won't have that pick to dangle for a rental. Leafs are going to need to be healthy this year and need some young blue liners to step up.
- The Law

Exactly this. Think this means that maybe a prospect gets delt instead of a pick

This is a great point. That part of it does sting because they should be in the deadline rental market and this empties their wallet a bit.
- Zezel

Wonder what this means for Brown. Does he slide back up onto Kadri's line now and do we like his chances of getting his game back? Or do they move him (maybe for some blueline help) and replace him with cheap help?

Wonder what this means for Brown. Does he slide back up onto Kadri's line now and do we like his chances of getting his game back? Or do they move him (maybe for some blueline help) and replace him with cheap help?
- The Law

I feel like they still move him to free up more money but I think they really like him too so it's hard to say.

Wonder what Leaf fans would do if it was Dubas trading a PK Subban as a pure cap dump?

I feel like they still move him to free up more money but I think they really like him too so it's hard to say.
- Zezel

Agreed. I think it's a tough one with brown. They don't want to trade him, but need th cap space. But are they going to find someone to replace him at a cheaper price? Will they get enough value for him in trade?

This isn't a marleau or zaitsev situation where they aren't living up to the pie deals and have to go.

It's very likely that the first rounder the Leafs gave up will be just a mid-level prospect anyway, at best.

Yes a worst-case scenario could happen where they miss the playoffs and win the lottery, but does anyone realistically want to take that bet? If you do let me know because I would love to bet money on that.
- Zezel

I think if they barely miss the playoffs and jump up into the top spots in the draft then it becomes leafs pick again. Carolina would get 2021 1st rd pick.

Wonder what Leaf fans would do if it was Dubas trading a PK Subban as a pure cap dump?
- RogerRoeper

Wonder what the deal the leafs were making for him at 6mil.

I can't believe Carolina bailed the Leafs out. Don't understand why theydidn't get a player that could help them . They were in the top four this year you think they would push to get over the top now .
At the very best the draft pick helps them in five years. Didn't think Dubas would get out from that contract so easily good job by him

No Burn, Leaf mngmnt always has an array of choices and always picks the worst option.

By next summer someone will be reminding us that Dubas could have traded him with a poopty Ahl'er and a 4th rounder to Arizona but Dubas preferred to blow a first.
- The Law

You mean the same way people are saying Dubas could have signed Matthews and Marner last summer, when in reality it was reported very early in the summer that they would not sign before the season. I think it was Mackenzie and I think Dubas even commented on it.

I can't believe Carolina bailed the Leafs out. Don't understand why theydidn't get a player that could help them . They were in the top four this year you think they would push to get over the top now .
At the very best the draft pick helps them in five years. Didn't think Dubas would get out from that contract so easily good job by him
- HamiltonHawk

Carolina was big time budget concerns. They may not even be able to keep Aho.

still a fair chance Carolina buys out Marleau - and then Marleau signing a new contract at 1mln AAV with Leafs.
After all, Dubas told us 'there is a good chance Marleau will be on the Leafs next season'

Exactly this. Think this means that maybe a prospect gets delt instead of a pick
- burn

I dont even think that matters. They won't have the cap to add much at the deadline anyway.

I can't believe Carolina bailed the Leafs out. Don't understand why theydidn't get a player that could help them . They were in the top four this year you think they would push to get over the top now .
At the very best the draft pick helps them in five years. Didn't think Dubas would get out from that contract so easily good job by him
- HamiltonHawk

Was thinking that too. Nice to pick up the pick but just limited their cap after a deep run and helped out one of their conference rivals.

You mean the same way people are saying Dubas could have signed Matthews and Marner last summer, when in reality it was reported very early in the summer that they would not sign before the season. I think it was Mackenzie and I think Dubas even commented on it.
- Aetherial

why do you keep on making things up?
Marner was very open of signing a new deal before start of last season - but Dubas was lowballing him.
After being lowballed on his first contract by Leafs, Marner wasn't going to have it.
It is so sad you guys actually believe Dubas is best GM in the league's history, and it is Marner 'keeping the leafs hostage'.

You mean the same way people are saying Dubas could have signed Matthews and Marner last summer, when in reality it was reported very early in the summer that they would not sign before the season. I think it was Mackenzie and I think Dubas even commented on it.
- Aetherial

Doesn't matter what anyone says, if some shmo on HB says it then it's truth. The agent and players says it, nope doesn't matter. The gm says it, who cares didn't happen. Insiders report it, they made it up. Max says it, you better believe it.

You mean the same way people are saying Dubas could have signed Matthews and Marner last summer, when in reality it was reported very early in the summer that they would not sign before the season. I think it was Mackenzie and I think Dubas even commented on it.
- Aetherial

Exactly

still a fair chance Carolina buys out Marleau - and then Marleau signing a new contract at 1mln AAV with Leafs.
After all, Dubas told us 'there is a good chance Marleau will be on the Leafs next season'
- MaximusAurelius

The family already moved back to San Jose, but sure.


That'd be (frank)ing terrible. Not surprised you'd come up with that

why do you keep on making things up?
Marner was very open of signing a new deal before start of last season - but Dubas was lowballing him.
After being lowballed on his first contract by Leafs, Marner wasn't going to have it.
It is so sad you guys actually believe Dubas is best GM in the league's history, and it is Marner 'keeping the leafs hostage'.
- MaximusAurelius

Delete your account.

why do you keep on making things up?
Marner was very open of signing a new deal before start of last season - but Dubas was lowballing him.
After being lowballed on his first contract by Leafs, Marner wasn't going to have it.
It is so sad you guys actually believe Dubas is best GM in the league's history, and it is Marner 'keeping the leafs hostage'.
- MaximusAurelius

The irony here is top notch congrats

He said he wanted to be last to sign and he didn't want to negotiate in season. You're making stuff up.


Marner isn't holding the team hostage? He's asking for over 2mil than he's worth and arranging meetings with teams to force an offer sheet. He's already reportedly turned down a deal that would make him 1.5 overpaid and the highest paid winger in league history...... But yeah he's not holding team hostage.

(frank)ing hell

Doesn't matter what anyone says, if some shmo on HB says it then it's truth. The agent and players says it, nope doesn't matter. The gm says it, who cares didn't happen. Insiders report it, they made it up. Max says it, you better believe it.
- burn

To be fair it was a report from Kypreos that alleged that the Leafs had balked at a deal around 8 years and 9 million per last summer.

Kypreos has been pretty sketchy with 'insider' opinions so who knows.

Delete your account.
- Aetherial

Right on que.

You mean the same way people are saying Dubas could have signed Matthews and Marner last summer, when in reality it was reported very early in the summer that they would not sign before the season. I think it was Mackenzie and I think Dubas even commented on it.
- Aetherial

Doesn't matter what anyone says, if some shmo on HB says it then it's truth. The agent and players says it, nope doesn't matter. The gm says it, who cares didn't happen. Insiders report it, they made it up. Max says it, you better believe it.
- burn

Was thinking that too. Nice to pick up the pick but just limited their cap after a deep run and helped out one of their conference rivals.
- The Law

"Cap" only matters if you can spend it. Carolina had the lowest payroll of any team last season. They don't have the $ to go near the cap max.

To be fair it was a report from Kypreos that alleged that the Leafs had balked at a deal around 8 years and 9 million per last summer.

Kypreos has been pretty sketchy with 'insider' opinions so who knows.
- The Law

No one else reported this though.

why do you keep on making things up?
Marner was very open of signing a new deal before start of last season - but Dubas was lowballing him.
After being lowballed on his first contract by Leafs, Marner wasn't going to have it.
It is so sad you guys actually believe Dubas is best GM in the league's history, and it is Marner 'keeping the leafs hostage'.
- MaximusAurelius

It's important to say you are believing everything Kypreos says. LOL
Kypreos wanted Marner traded.

No one else reported this though.
- RogerRoeper

In fact reported exact opposite. And those involved directly, on both sides, said otherwise