Our problems are roster players and we could have used the overvalued picks to replace/unload said problems.
- j.boyd919

Toronto just had to trade a 1st to get rid of Marleau's contract which is for $6.25, but only for one more year.

No one is taking any of our untradable players for a 4th, 5th, and/or 7th.

Penguin fans have a lot to be annoyed about, I dont see how this move or pick is one of them. Penguins clearly thought a guy they liked wouldnt be there for their 4th round pick, they saw value in moving up, and did it. not sure what the problem is.

Toronto just had to trade a 1st to get rid of Marleau's contract which is for $6.25, but only for one more year.

No one is taking any of our untradable players for a 4th, 5th, and/or 7th.

Penguin fans have a lot to be annoyed about, I dont see how this move or pick is one of them. Penguins clearly thought a guy they liked wouldnt be there for their 4th round pick, they saw value in moving up, and did it. not sure what the problem is.
- SuperHenderson13

I believe what he meant was using the 3rd they traded for to use in a move to bolster the roster. I'm just convinced at this point the Pens are done, so moving a 3rd isn't going to get much considering the Pens have very little room in the cap.

Toronto just had to trade a 1st to get rid of Marleau's contract which is for $6.25, but only for one more year.

No one is taking any of our untradable players for a 4th, 5th, and/or 7th.

Penguin fans have a lot to be annoyed about, I dont see how this move or pick is one of them. Penguins clearly thought a guy they liked wouldnt be there for their 4th round pick, they saw value in moving up, and did it. not sure what the problem is.
- SuperHenderson13

I couldn't believe it cost Toronto a first to move 1 year of a $6m contract. Had to do something, but wow...

Every draft is referred to as a deep draft. It’s how they attract viewers.
- j.boyd919

Not on TSN. Craig Button in particular puts a ton of work into following the prospects all year. He’s not shy about saying when the talent drops off

The American networks are a sh it show just like their intermissions

I remember most saying the 2017 draft was pretty thin after the first few picks.

I remember most saying the 2017 draft was pretty thin after the first few picks.
- Rinosaur

Look I get it you are trying to be positive. I will agree to disagree.

Put this together for fun. Reports are the Pens said no to Puljujarvi/Rust, but just for poops and giggles.

https://www.capfriendly.c.../armchair-gm/team/1245738

Vegas needs to clear space for Karlsson, so I thought this could work out.

Toronto just had to trade a 1st to get rid of Marleau's contract which is for $6.25, but only for one more year.

No one is taking any of our untradable players for a 4th, 5th, and/or 7th.

Penguin fans have a lot to be annoyed about, I dont see how this move or pick is one of them. Penguins clearly thought a guy they liked wouldnt be there for their 4th round pick, they saw value in moving up, and did it. not sure what the problem is.
- SuperHenderson13

I’m not really annoyed by it. I just think there were better options and this team still shows a lack of direction. They wasted a 1st round pick on a guy who’s ceiling is bottom 6. At least shoot for a skilled forward that can possibly become a top 6 goal scorer. Should have with with Kaliyev

I believe what he meant was using the 3rd they traded for to use in a move to bolster the roster. I'm just convinced at this point the Pens are done, so moving a 3rd isn't going to get much considering the Pens have very little room in the cap.
- Rinosaur

all i am saying is that moving up a round to get a guy you like in the 3rd round while using a 4th, 5th, & 7th to do so... is not a negative move. they saw a guy falling and decided to do something.

now if we had done what arizona did yesterday and traded our 1st and a 2nd to move up 3 or 4 spots... then yes, that would not be good value.

I'm already looking forward to the Ryan Wilson blog on this subject.

I couldn't believe it cost Toronto a first to move 1 year of a $6m contract. Had to do something, but wow...
- MacPatty

If AZ had the cap space then I bet they would’ve done it for a 2nd or maybe it stays a first but they give Toronto one of their many, many bottom 6 forwards like Cousins. Problem is, they’re shopping for top 6 help - not a 3rd liner. If they did both then they would have to pony up to dish off Hossa. I think Chayka was smart to hold off

Put this together for fun. Reports are the Pens said no to Puljujarvi/Rust, but just for poops and giggles.

https://www.capfriendly.c.../armchair-gm/team/1245738

Vegas needs to clear space for Karlsson, so I thought this could work out.
- Rinosaur

22 man roster...

all i am saying is that moving up a round to get a guy you like in the 3rd round while using a 4th, 5th, & 7th to do so... is not a negative move. they saw a guy falling and decided to do something.

now if we had done what arizona did yesterday and traded our 1st and a 2nd to move up 3 or 4 spots... then yes, that would not be good value.

I'm already looking forward to the Ryan Wilson blog on this subject.
- SuperHenderson13

I agree with you on the move. I'm fine with it.

22 man roster...
- Feds91Stammer

You don't need a 23 man roster...

You don't need a 23 man roster...
- Rinosaur

Gonna disagree with you there.

Put this together for fun. Reports are the Pens said no to Puljujarvi/Rust, but just for poops and giggles.

https://www.capfriendly.c.../armchair-gm/team/1245738

Vegas needs to clear space for Karlsson, so I thought this could work out.
- Rinosaur

An analyst on twitter said part of the problem with Pulj is that he doesn’t feel he needs to prove himself as a top 6 option, putting him on our 4th line doesn’t help that. We would likely just be acquiring the next Plotnikov if we do that. I think a team like NJ makes sense

You don't need a 23 man roster...
- Rinosaur

How many teams in the league use a 22 man roster? How many of those are successful?

You don't need a 23 man roster...
- Rinosaur

Lol wut. You been smokin crack lately or something? Meth? I feel like logic has been disappearing from your posts a lot lately.

I’m not really annoyed by it. I just think there were better options and this team still shows a lack of direction. They wasted a 1st round pick on a guy who’s ceiling is bottom 6. At least shoot for a skilled forward that can possibly become a top 6 goal scorer. Should have with with Kaliyev
- j.boyd919

I have yet to read a serious report that says his ceiling is bottom 6. might he end up a bottom 6? Sure. Might he end up Top 6? Sure. Might he end up a dumpster fire and never play in the league? Sure. I think taking that chance is more warranted than dumping the pick just for a team to take Jack Johnson. That makes no sense to me. If Johnson is worth trading a 1st round pick with to dump him... then just buy him out.

I would have been fine with Kaliyev. A lot of people question his work ethic and consistency. If we had drafted him, we'd be b!tching about that instead.

I have yet to read a serious report that says his ceiling is bottom 6. might he end up a bottom 6? Sure. Might he end up Top 6? Sure. Might he end up a dumpster fire and never play in the league? Sure. I think taking that chance is more warranted than dumping the pick just for a team to take Jack Johnson. That makes no sense to me. If Johnson is worth trading a 1st round pick with to dump him... then just buy him out.

I would have been fine with Kaliyev. A lot of people question his work ethic and consistency. If we had drafted him, we'd be b!tching about that instead.
- SuperHenderson13

I would love it for the Pens to buy out JJ but they won’t.

Guys.. just remember that things could be worse. My roommate is from Chicago and she’s female. I fully expect her to remain locked in her room all weekend because the Hawks traded away John Hayden (I expect most of you are thinking “who?” As you should since you didn’t know Kahun. Hayden is much, much worse) and the sky is falling. Emotions will be running high for a week or so I imagine

Not on TSN. Craig Button in particular puts a ton of work into following the prospects all year. He’s not shy about saying when the talent drops off

The American networks are a sh it show just like their intermissions
- WSCTeton17

Hahaha


I've heard many drafts referred to as weak, thin or not as strong as others over the years.

The hurricanes are also sending thin picks for volume https://twitter.com/dimfi.../1142494005344686080?s=21

Put this together for fun. Reports are the Pens said no to Puljujarvi/Rust, but just for poops and giggles.

https://www.capfriendly.c.../armchair-gm/team/1245738

Vegas needs to clear space for Karlsson, so I thought this could work out.
- Rinosaur

Out of curiousity where did you find these reports?

all i am saying is that moving up a round to get a guy you like in the 3rd round while using a 4th, 5th, & 7th to do so... is not a negative move. they saw a guy falling and decided to do something.

now if we had done what arizona did yesterday and traded our 1st and a 2nd to move up 3 or 4 spots... then yes, that would not be good value.

I'm already looking forward to the Ryan Wilson blog on this subject.
- SuperHenderson13

You pay your scouts to go out and find/evaluate players. If they tell you they really like a player you should make a reasonable effort to try and get him. I'm assuming that's what happened. They like this kid and they didn't expect him to be around in the 4th round and sacrificed a 5th and 7th to get him. Totally fine with that.

Legare had 2nd most goals in the Q. Is said to have a sick release. Many are saying it was. Worthy risk. Sounds like it was a guy they maybe had higher on their list and he fell to them. It likely doesn’t matter for our window, but hell maybe he does come up in 2-3 years and pulls a Guentzel. We will see