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Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jun 22 @ 2:19 PM ET
A couple mistakes by Ryan Wilson:

- Poulin is from the QMJHL, not WHL;

- The Penguins have 2 5th Round Picks, not 1.

Wish we could’ve added JT Miller to our roster.

Is Barrie possible if Kessel decides to accept a trade to Colorado?
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 22 @ 2:20 PM ET
He's lost a step, but yes, he's definitely a faster player. Faster than a lot players on the Pens roster.
- Rinosaur


Maybe like 5 years ago. Not anymore. Weighed down by all the moneys he’s made and age.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 22 @ 2:30 PM ET
Pens trade up to the 3rd round. Nice job, JR.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 22 @ 2:31 PM ET
Pens trade up to the 3rd round. Nice job, JR.
- Rinosaur

Analytics says trading up is bad especially at this point in the draft.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 22 @ 2:33 PM ET
Pens trade up to the 3rd round. Nice job, JR.
- Rinosaur


I don’t see that pick amounting to anything anytime soon. I’d rather use the mid-late round picks to bolster the roster. Use the college route to add free assets while using draft picks that other GMs overvalue to acquire roster players.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jun 22 @ 2:34 PM ET
A couple mistakes by Ryan Wilson:

- Poulin is from the QMJHL, not WHL;

- The Penguins have 2 5th Round Picks, not 1.

Wish we could’ve added JT Miller to our roster.

Is Barrie possible if Kessel decides to accept a trade to Colorado?

- Barnaby36

Barrie was tough to sign last go around, I don’t see his next deal coming cheap. I think we’re going to end up keeping Schultz. I don’t see how else we would replace him

I’m all for a Zaitsev for JJ swap and then we would likely need to move Rust out for a cheaper forward by cap space. The fancystat community has them about even in WAR but Zaitsev clearly could bounce back whereas with JJ we already know he’s garbage and meshes with no one.

Some will disagree on taking the additional cap hit, but I think it’s worth it. He hits, he blocks, he had a strong finish to the year (playing more with Gardiner and Muzzin but also with Hainsey and Dermott). 50% CF while starting 42% of his shifts in his own zone all while playing top 4 minutes. His relative stats aren’t good but they’re better than JJ’s and he doesn’t need to be incredibly sheltered like JJ. His possession quality was actually positive this last season. I’d like to see him away from Babcock... lol
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Jun 22 @ 2:35 PM ET
Analytics says trading up is bad especially at this point in the draft.
- Feds91Stammer

we've got bigger problems than trading a 4th, 5th, & 7th for a 3rd. saw on Twitter a scout had him ranked at 40. big body and uses it well, so-so skater, big time shot and scorer. No problems with this move.

Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 22 @ 2:36 PM ET
we've got bigger problems than trading a 4th, 5th, & 7th for a 3rd. saw on Twitter a scout had him ranked at 40. big body and uses it well, so-so skater, big time shot and scorer. No problems with this move.
- SuperHenderson13


Agreed.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jun 22 @ 2:37 PM ET
I don’t see that pick amounting to anything anytime soon. I’d rather use the mid-late round picks to bolster the roster. Use the college route to add free assets while using draft picks that other GMs overvalue to acquire roster players.
- j.boyd919

Doesn’t surprise me that Chayka (the stats guy) was on the other end of that trade
acdc1206
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh teams suck, PA
Joined: 06.13.2007

Jun 22 @ 2:37 PM ET
Agreed.
- Rinosaur


Ditto.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 22 @ 2:37 PM ET
we've got bigger problems than trading a 4th, 5th, & 7th for a 3rd. saw on Twitter a scout had him ranked at 40. big body and uses it well, so-so skater, big time shot and scorer. No problems with this move.
- SuperHenderson13

Just pointing out why it is not a "nice job"
stevens87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: LET'S GO BRANDON, PA
Joined: 10.05.2005

Jun 22 @ 2:38 PM ET
Pens use 74th pick on Nathan Legare. Various rankings:
NHL Central Scouting: 54th
Future Considerations: 33rd
Elite Prospects: 42nd
Bob McKenzie: 49th
Craig Button: 36th
“This is a steal…”—NHL Network’s analysts

WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jun 22 @ 2:39 PM ET
Just came across this for whatever reason lol. It’s Ferland lighting up one of the Bruins

https://twitter.com/cause.../1141874685488971776?s=21
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 22 @ 2:40 PM ET
we've got bigger problems than trading a 4th, 5th, & 7th for a 3rd. saw on Twitter a scout had him ranked at 40. big body and uses it well, so-so skater, big time shot and scorer. No problems with this move.
- SuperHenderson13


Our problems are roster players and we could have used the overvalued picks to replace/unload said problems.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 22 @ 2:41 PM ET
Doesn’t surprise me that Chayka (the stats guy) was on the other end of that trade
- WSCTeton17


Nope. He just acquired 3 more assets that have the around the same probability as making the NHL as the 3rd rounder they just traded for.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 22 @ 2:41 PM ET
Just pointing out why it is not a "nice job"
- Feds91Stammer


I disagree. At this point in the draft, moving a 5th and 7th to get a 3rd is a nice job IMO. It's not like that 5th and 7th could have been used to immediately help the roster.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 22 @ 2:42 PM ET
I disagree. At this point in the draft, moving a 5th and 7th to get a 3rd is a nice job IMO. It's not like that 5th and 7th could have been used to immediately help the roster.
- Rinosaur

What about the 4th?

Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 22 @ 2:43 PM ET
Nope. He just acquired 3 more assets that have the around the same probability as making the NHL as the 3rd rounder they just traded for.
- j.boyd919


What room do the Pens have to acquire anything on this roster? They may wind up having a couple of million to spend.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 22 @ 2:44 PM ET
What about the 4th?
- Feds91Stammer


3rd round still better than the 4th in a deep draft.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 22 @ 2:45 PM ET
3rd round still better than the 4th in a deep draft.
- Rinosaur


Every draft is referred to as a deep draft. It’s how they attract viewers.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 22 @ 2:46 PM ET
3rd round still better than the 4th in a deep draft.
- Rinosaur

Oh it is a deep draft all of a sudden
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 22 @ 2:46 PM ET
3rd round still better than the 4th in a deep draft.
- Rinosaur

It is okay to like the prospect while also acknowledging the trade being not ideal.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 22 @ 2:46 PM ET
Oh it is a deep draft all of a sudden
- Feds91Stammer


All of a sudden? This draft has been talked about for the last year as being one of the deepest in ten years.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 22 @ 2:47 PM ET
Every draft is referred to as a deep draft. It’s how they attract viewers.
- j.boyd919


Not true. I've heard plenty of drafts referred to as thin after the first few picks.
MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

Jun 22 @ 2:48 PM ET
Nope. He just acquired 3 more assets that have the around the same probability as making the NHL as the 3rd rounder they just traded for.
- j.boyd919


Legare is a nice prospect. I like that the Pens traded up for a guy they were targeting.
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